| Author | Message | ||
     Luvthemtorts |
By the way Nuts I got in 83 miles this evening (at least according to my broken trip meter  ). I went up Windy Gap to 122 and then to 220. Came back up 220 and made a left on Buck Mountain Rd. to take the short cut over to 221. I then road up the dreaded and much hated Bent Mountain to see if I would like it better when not trying to keep up ( I didn't) and finally took the BRP back in. A nice little rde but it was still ridiculously hot even though I didn't leave the house until after 6:00. Ended up rolling in right around 8:45. I only saw 2 deer the whole time course I am sure there were untold masses just hiding in the brush by the road waiting to attack a brutha'. | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
So Charlie, In your opinion is the race kit a safer modification since they were designed to be used together? I will admit to being lost. If yours still runs lean even with all that extra stuff how do you make it safe other than paying $450.00 to buy a key and have Al reflash an ECM to a Drummer specific MAP? What is the solution? 1. stock ECM and Drummer 2. race ECM and Drummer 3. factory race kit 4. American Sportsbike reflashed ECM with Drummer What say ye' Charlie? Many thanks | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, You are letting this thing get the best of you, it's not that bad.The key is the dyno, it's not that expensive. It will tell you what you need to do.If all you want is the sound, without a power loss then option 1 might work for you(the dyno will tell you if it's safe).If you want sound and power, then option 2,with some airbox mods.I don't like 3,tried it and took it off and thru it in the corner.Option 4 would be the bomb,but only if you are going to do all the other stuff (mods.)with it. The "Drummer" is perfect for you, it has a sound you will love and the torque makes the bike handle so much better(alot less shifting to keep the bike on the pipe). You can ride the bike in the tight corners and not worry so much about what gear your in.Nuts is right about the 12&the 9, it is a much bigger improvement on the 9. It makes a 9 pull like a 12, just smoother. The whole issue is giving you piece of mind, and that's what the dyno will do. It may say option 1 is good if you don't change anything else or it may say you need option 2. If you have to go with option 2, just remember, the airbox mods.(most of them, not carbon fiber) are the cheapest of all(pocket change)  ....Charlie | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Nuts, Some of what you say I agree with, but I don't understand your logic on the ecm for the 12.I have not seen a dyno sheet for a 12 with drummer and stock ecm,but would be surprized if it was much different than the 9(talking A/F values now). Is your drummer the reg. or the loud ? I don't think I have seen you since you got rid of the Econo.. Are you still running the stock airbox and filter? As for mine, I do have the TFI turned all the way back, with the race ecm I don't need the extra fuel(although it gets close at 3200 rpm). I got it mainly to play with and if I tried another exhaust I might need it,or went back to stock ecm. Mostly because I wanted something to tinker with. I can't imagine you with the stock exhaust, it just doesn't seem to fit(that was ment as a compliment) Give it a try, just don't get rid of the drummer to quick, unless you do have the loud..Be safe..Charlie | ||
| Nutsosane |
Charlie, I have the LOUD Drummer. I have the stock ecm, no more tfi, and stock air filter. I think the can is coming off this week so I can be more prepared to get into a ULY. I'm also thinking I can pull $300 from the Drummer for some skin thrills (Tattoo work.) That'll really get Jackie going! As stated previously, I love the Drummer for anything less than 50 miles. Over that it's torture. Combined with the cramped riding position (because I'm an orangutang,) I'm finding myself depressed on the longer rides. I'd love to have the Lightning with Drummer as well as another utilitarian bike like a big BMW for distance and adventure. The Uly would fill those roles admirably and I think I can ride it as fast as I ride my Lightning. Thassallfolks. NUTS | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Nuts, I figured you must have the loud, because I don't find my drummer that loud and I don't perticularly like real loud bikes.I can see where you would find the lightning alittle crampy on long hauls. Everything is a trade off, you'll miss the "Ole Nuts Mobile", but you'll like the Uly, becareful with the high center of gravity until you get use to it,wouldn't want a painful learning curve. Course if you should meet your demize(with all the extra ink your planning on getting) we could always make a neat lamp shade out of ya.LOL | ||
| Nutsosane |
Now there's an idea. Instead of burial or cremation I could be made into something useful and grotesque! I'll have to call Hicks Taxidermy and see what's possible. Jackie, give me a holler if you want to go shooting any night this week. I don't have to work until 8:45. I wanna get the new .40 dialed in. NUTS | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Charlie, I don't know if you read my other post, BUT, to add insult to injury, I have a 12 Drummer on my 9 with the stock ecm. Who knows what that's going to do to the torque and a/f curves. I somehow managed to get off work tomorrow on what may well be the hottest day this year. I'm takin' the beast out to play in the morning before it gets too freakin hot! Jackie, how many miles do you have on that brand new bike? I tend to agree with you about not "playing around" with a new motor. I'm sure you have heard the stories about how these little beasts seem to run better/cooler after a couple thousand miles. Mine does, and that's why I waited to do any major mods(or maybe it was the lack of green paper). | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, I surely appreciate all the advice you have given me. If you haven't figured it out yet I tend to go off the deep end and think the worst if there is any doubt about something. Can't help it I just sit around and mull it over and over in my head until it becomes an issue that feels almost like a life and death situation. The Drummer is on its' way and if it comes by Friday I hope to get some dyno time in on Saturday. Last question. Should I do the drive for 10 miles at 3700rpm thing to let the ECM learn whatever it is going to before the dyno runs? Tank, I have a little over 800 miles on the new bike. I can tell it is getting broken in because it feels smoother and I can hear a little valve train noise where I couldn't in the beginning. Looking forward to your run tomorrow to see how yours does. Nuts, I see how it is. Family heads out now you wanna be my friend again. Works for me. Lets plan on doing it tomorrow. That way you can pick up the sliders you ordered and bring your ole' pal the T27 socket and rear stand. Meet me here at 5:00pm. That way we can get up there and shoot for a few hours before you have to depart. Are you enjoying your week long hiatus from my sharp wit? | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Jackie, They can likely run the bike on the dyno to let the ecm re-learn. That way you/they can "see" the a/f while the ecm is learning, and know when it's done all it's gonna do. Dunno if they'll charge ya for the extra couple of minutes though. Tank | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
jACKIE, I would be inclined to run it in closer to 4K, and stay out of the lean spot that Im sure is there. Have you talked to them about dyno time yet? To make sure they have an operater there on Sat. This really IS the smart thing to do. Then you can spend your time worrying about more important stuff like fishing and beating Nuts to the best spot.........Charlie | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, I am going to call tomorrow to see abot getting some dyno time. Kevin said that UPS from his area to Roanoke takes only a day (but I am figuring two) so maybe as early as Friday. Its' gonna suck if they can't get it in relatively quickly. Even then if it is lean I guess I won't be riding until I can get the race ECM. I know changing the pipe isn't all that difficult but I just don't have it in me to switch back and forth. The old pipe came off pretty quickly so the bike is prepped for the Drummer when it arrives. Kevin called today after reading some of the posts and assured me again that it will be fine with the stock ECM and air filter. I got the impression from what he said that he thinks the stock setup is a better match for the Drummer than the race ECM (unless you add the TFI thing). Did you ever get a dyno with the stock setup? When you got the dyno with the race ECM were you running the airbox mods? Do you think the exra airflow could have increased the lean condition that showed up on your results? I know I said I wasn't going to ask anymore questions but I had my fingers crossed  ! Tank, I usually get up about 2:00p.m.. I expect the preliminary results to be posted by the time I arise or there will be harsh consequences  . Then again if you want to be real cruel you can tell me it ran waaay lean LOL!! | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Forgot to add that since this is Nuts first season of fishing I make it a point to give him the good spots. Now when Squirrel season opens in September I won't show him any mercy. He already had his learning curve for them critters . I took close to 50 last year. Refresh my memory Jason, how many did you bring home? | ||
| Nutsosane |
Actually I didn't take any home. The single critter that was foolish enough to be within spitting distance was sacrificed to my hunting guide. I even had to pose for a picture; with one dead critter. The shame! NUTS Jackie, I see this morning you called while I was at work. Sorry I was too occupied trying to find someplace to sleep! HIM | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Sorry guys, No ride for me today. It really sucks when I manage to luck into a day off, and wind up fighting a bit of a "loose" condition all day. Oh, well. Maybe I'l get that ride in tomorrow after work(or lack of work...slow week). Tank | ||
| Nutsosane |
Too bad Tank. You'll get that ride in soon, take earplugs! NUTS | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Well fellers, Put the Drummer on today and she fired right up. No stuttering or popping. I then went on the "ECM reset" ride for 15 miutes one way, turned the key off and 15 minutes back. During that time it popped very briefly and lightly on decel within the first 3 miles. After I got on 581 it never bogged, missed or popped again. I did notice the fan seemed to run a little longer than normal but it is about 97 degrees outside so that could have something to do with it. I am also happy to note that the pipes did not get ANY blueing or color changes to indicate a serious problem. I know on Harleys I have had the pipes blue literally within minutes. C'mon Charlie, please tell me I can take that as a good sign. Tank, Sorry to hear you have the squirts. Perhaps Jason can hook you up with some awesome throne reading material. He gave me a few issues of this rag called TWO and I must say it is the best import/sportsbike magazine I have read. Course it could use some boobies like Easyrider. I guess this way I don't have to hide them from the kids. Nuts is right, wear earplugs if you are going more than a few miles. My eardrums started ringing before I made it 4 miles. Jason, Looks like a VERY early morning run to HD on Saturday morning for a few dyno runs. The service manager said get there at 7:00 so they could get me in when they open. You know I am worried if I am willing to get up that early BWAHAHAHAHA!! | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, I thought you said you weren't going to pick on Nuts this week while he is trying to get past the "BIG 30". Jackie, I had the airbox mods before I got the Drummer, had them with the race pipe. Everything has a little effect on it. Where my dyno sheet showed a lean spot(it was only relative to the rest of the pull and was not dangerously lean at all).I don't know what a stock ecm will show, just that the pipe will be leaner in that one spot and had questions as to the chance that the stock ecm might not have enough range to cover it. That's why I was pushing you to get it dynoed. I have never seen any real proof of the stock ecm and the drummer with your setup(airbox stock) and didn't want you putting yourself in jeopardy.Was not trying to get you all stressed out,sorry. Tank, How did you manage to get a 12 Drummer? Not sure I know the difference between the 12 & the 9 pipe. Is it the reg. or the loud? Nuts, Riding in SC sucks, I've already burnt up the center of my rear tire and haven't really done that much riding.I guess Fla. was the same way..........Charlie | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
No worries Charlie! The stress was good for me since it made me stop and think about what I was doing instead of accepting anyones' word. I reset my TPS tonight which was super easy and then figured I would reset my AFV as well. Pulled it off without a hitch. Then I read that I had basically undone the "learning curve" that I put the bike through this evening. Guess I will have to make that scalding hot run again tomorrow before the dyno. Now as far as making fun of Nuts. I was merely asking him a question. I wasn't trying to stir nuthin' up  . | ||
| Tank_bueller |
...undone the "learning curve" Yep, you likely done exactly that. No biggie. Charlie, I acquired my 12 drummer from a fellow Badwebber in Canada. Very barely used; the inside of the fatlet is still shiny. That was before I found out there was a difference. It seems the "innards" are slightly different to accommodate the longer stroke/exaust pulse on the 12. I am pretty sure it's not a "loud", but it does seem louder than the other 12 Drummer I heard in person. The other guy had quite a few miles on his so the carbon build-up may have made it more quiet over time. Tank | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
The weather was kind enough to allow another "ECM learning" ride. Rode the BRP from the hospital down to explore park. Came up Rutrough Rd. and then jumped on 581 at Elm. Rode it to Hollins Rd. and then reversed the route home. Still no pipe blueing but I did notice a hair more popping today. Doesn't happen at highway speed even when changing gears or decelerating no matter what RPM range. Only happens when shifting from 1st to second when the clutch is pulled and the revs are dropping. I didn't ride around that low to try and "reprogram" since I didn't want to lug the engine. So Tank, What was the results of your road test or are you still down with the trots? I'll let you know what the dyno says on Saturday. Nuts, We going shooting tomorrow or what? Also need to plan on going up around 4:00p.m. Monday to try out the Muzzleloaders. You better go get some Pyrodex pellets and caps since I doubt your kit came with combustibles. Don't let them suck you into loose powder or the expensive pellets either since they have a delayed reaction. | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, I got my eye on a race ECM on Ebay. What happens if I run the race ECM and Drummer without the high flow air filter? My wife is quickly losing her sense of humor about all my new bikes "extra" needs so I'd like to lessen my lecture from her by keeping the cost down. | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, Lets see what the dyno has to say about the stock ecm. I'm sure the race ecm would be fine with either filter. But if you get it then all the airbox mods are pretty inexpensive.(most you can do yourself)and the bike just keeps on getting stronger. I haven't heard any coments from you on the pipe, any feed back?...Charlie | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Jackie, I'm all good, but no road test yet. I can think of plenty of excuses when it's 102* in the shade. But really, don't eat half a large grease-pit pizza for a mid afternoon snack after you have been boiling in your own juices all day, and expect to function the next day.(awesome pizza, though) It's a good thing we don't live nearby. With our similar talent for scoring parts which require more parts, our combined acquisitions and part swapping could drive ones wife insane(and I aint married). .tey 'nimmurD toN Tank | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, I absolutely love the sound and it does seem to have more oomph even without the race ECM. Roll ons feel like your neck is going to break and midrange seems better than the race kit that was on the old Bolt'. I went ahead and bought the ECM I had my eye on since the fella gave me a very good deal. It is brand new for an 05 model so I hope it works on the 06. I noticed American Sportsbike has them for 03-04 and then 05. This leads me to believe that it is the proper one for my bike (at least I hope so!!) since none are listed for 06. Tank, I wish you did live closer. Wih Nuts on this crazy night schedule I don't have anyone to go shooting or riding with during the evening. It would also be neat to have two yella' bikes riding with Nuts since he can't stand the color. I think he would go insane in short order. | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, Glad you like the pipe, I love mine. Don't know the answer about the 06 ecm, but give them the # off the one you bought and they can check it against the book(if they have one yet). Ya know if you went ahead and reset the TPS for the race ecm, then you could plug it in at the dyno and get a reading on both. Just a thought(not sure you can get to the plug-in without pulling the fairing though) Oh well, one thing at a time...........Charlie | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
I'll tell ya' Charlie the Drummer makes the race can sound anemic. I am thankful that I ran across the race ECM at a good price so I can quit worrying about my motor grenading. Since the wife is cutting off my access to the bank account I am going to hold off on the dyno until next weekend once everything is installed. Ole' Nuts called and wanted to go riding tomorrow but I don't want to take the chance until I put the ECM on and reset the TPS (thats right I can do it at my leisure LOL). Another stroke of luck is that I remembered that my good friend Jason has a new K&N sitting in his garage. I called him to inquire and I think he is going to let me pay it off at $1.00 a month for a total of 60 months. I forgot to ask him what the interest rate would be. | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, I didn't know Nuts was a decendant of the "Godfather".Those guys sure know how to make a buck. Be sure that ecm will work on an 06 before you start pulling the fairing off. Well I'd go fishing this morning,but I'd have to tie the worm around an ice cube to get a bite. And between the turtles and the 90 dgree water, I'd be replacing worms as fast as the ice cubes.........Charlie | ||
| Tank_bueller |
...thats right I can do it at my leisure...  Must be nice... p.s. I saw some info on xb9 ecm's recently, dunno if it was here or not. I'll see if I can find it. (Message edited by tank_bueller on August 04, 2006) | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Best I can tell, the race ecm is the same for 05 and 06 models. Reference these posts: In this one, Dave and Al mention the "05-06" ecm. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/204428.html#POST671888 In this one, theres all kinds of good part numbers for reference. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/141224.html?1127177464 Hope this helps! Tank (holy s#!t, that lightning was close, better turn off the comp) (Message edited by tank_bueller on August 04, 2006) |
