| Author | Message | ||
     Tank_bueller |
Nuts, Tell your pops to have his checkbook ready when he arrives at the house... I got a "DOA" notice to my inquiry about check-in on the mountain Here it is... There is no check-in, just go on into the house as it will be open. We will see you at some point. Maps are attached. You are scheduled for the Point arrival Sunday Sept 10 and departure Sunday Sept 17. The $200 deposit has been paid and a balance of $955 is due on arrival. NC rental taxes are a mother... If ya'll want the maps, send me a pm and I'll send them to ya. Heads up! Tank | ||
| Nutsosane |
Thanks, Tank. I'll make sure to pass on the good news. I've been running the stock ecm with my Drummer for about 7000 miles now. Stock airbox, filter, snorkel though. Plugs always look purty. There is some decel popping however. Not too much to gripe about, especially when you hit the throttle at a stop light. Just ask Jackie what kind of attention that gets! They look right past the gaudy amber wheels, Cheapo line-x plastics, goofy dude riding, and especially the crime-fighting sidekick on the yellow bike next to me. It's amazing the attention the Drummer pulls. But I'm still trying to get into a Ulysses. NUTS | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Thanks for the peace of mind! What you describe is exactly what I expect, hopefully no surprises. Nothing wrong with a Uly. I'm sure there are plenty of places you can put it to good use out your way. Well, got to get to work if I plan to be Drum, Drum, Drummin' this afternoon! Tank | ||
| Tank_bueller |
So, what ever happened to that guy at the dragon with the stock pipe? All I got to say is....WOW! Freakin WOW! Holy...WOW! Not like "wow mommy, fireworks"... More like "All the worlds evil has been incarnated into a loud, horned, fire breathing, spitting, snorting Beast on two wheels.." type of WOW! Just... . . . . . . WOW! | ||
| Nutsosane |
Another believer! Everyone thinks the posts about the Drummer are BS......until you crank that mutha up! NUTS  | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Tank, Hopefully I'll be able to share in your enthusiasm by the end of next week. So did you get a Drummer? I thought you were going for the race kit. When I talked to Kevin on Monday he said that the popping IS NOT from a lean condition as everyone suggests (including me) but rather the pipe still flowing air when the throttle is closed. He went on to say he can pretty much guarantee it will run fine and cause no damage. With all the time and dyno information he has to back his product I tend to believe him (and that is saying a lot LOL!). Enjoy that new sound while you can cause when we get to the Dragon you will have to fight me and Nuts for attention from the local hotties. How are we going to know who they are looking at since all of us will be sounding the same? Since chicks dig yellow I guess that leaves Nuts out  | ||
| Nutsosane |
I'd guess "NUTS out" would draw a certain amount of attention though. Jackie, Killboy has a nice few shots of a rattlesnake. Check em out brutha. My sister asked as you pulled away: Why is Jackie riding a girls bike? Burnt by a 9 year old, the shame. NUTS | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Yeah I saw the Rattler pics. Funny how he didn't get any really good closeups even with all that expensive gear. Man, I thought your sister (as well as mom and dad) were very polite and friendly people. Now I have to rethink that as well as my masculinity. Ohhh, wait a minute. The 2 fine looking fluffies I ran into whilst pumping gas made me realize that yellow is all good man. Now when the Drummer gets installed it will make them all adore me and my ride. Jealousy is an ugly monster my friend. By the way, I WILL be getting the Omega. Make sure you set some time aside next weekend for a sight in session. In the meantime you may want to dust yours off, go get some Pyrodex pellets and saboted bullets and think about your optics choices. See ya'll tomorrow at 1:30 at the bait store. I'm gone | ||
| Tank_bueller |
The plan WAS to wait until Al completed a re-map for a drummer, and I'd be running the "standard" setup: k&n, swiss cheese air box, Drummer, re-mapped ecm. And I will achieve this, one day. But with the impending threat to my masculinity, and the girly comments, something had to be done. So I half-assed it for now, with just a Drummer. When The race ecm comes in from Dave, it will most likely need a tps reset before I can run it, and put the k&n back in.  Why is Jackie riding a girls bike? Burnt by a 9 year old, the shame. Now that is some funny stuff.  "Fluffies"...that's one I haven't heard before. Tank | ||
| Nutsosane |
Tank, make sure you run the bike in at 3700 rpm for a constant 10 miles. Then shut off the key(while rolling).Pull over , re-start bike and you should be dialed in. This will help reset the ECM to learn the freer flowing exhaust. Then let er rip. Pulling into the HD dealership is always an experience. Most of the HD boobs think it's a jap bike sitting there until it fires up and piques their interest enough to ask; "what kind of bike is that?" Revelation for the minions. NUTS Jackie, I will see you at the fishin hole preparedness headquarters, aka Ye olde bait shoppe. STUN | ||
| Nutsosane |
hey Jackie, Check out this archive. Read the whole thing. And pay special attention to the date. NUTS http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/143892.html | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, Nuts& Tank, Glad to see you guys are finally hearing the beat of the "Drum". I got Nuts converted early, but Jackie has been a hard sell(good job Nuts) what did it take to convince him? Jackie, which "Drummer" are you getting? The regular or the "SS", it sure would set that yeller off.$$$ The three of you with your "Drummers" coming down the "Dragon" ought to be a pretty sound.........Charlie | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, In keeping with the yeller and black theme I decided upopn the regular (which now includes a nifty billet end cap that Jason doesn't have). I liked the race kit but always wanted a bit more volume to the exhaust note so it was either the Drummer or D&D. Since Kevin actually researched, tested and tuned the can instead of just making one that fit I decided he deserved my business. Rumor has it Jason may go back stock for a while to give the ole' eardrums a break. I imagine that will be short lived once mine is installed and he hears the thunderous roar of both bikes together. Tank, You know Nuts is just trying to bait me into posting a smart arse remark and break my promise of holding off until after the first week of August. He will have to do better than that to get me to bend my iron will and make me go back on my word. | ||
| Tank_bueller |
...3700 rpm for a constant 10 miles. Man, I'll try, but I may not be able to restrain myself for that long.   | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, If you want an accurate answer to the ecm question ( and each bike is alittle different) take it to RVHD and putit on the dyno(make sure the put the sniffer in the pipe) and you will know for sure if it is too lean and where and by how much. I don't know how much they are charging now, but when I did it, it was $35 for about 3 pulls and you will have all your answers...Charlie | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Well crap! Now I am getting worried again. I thought with Kevins' explanation and the fact that there hasn't been any reported problems yet I would be alright. Now I ain't so sure. If I do the dyno and it comes up lean I am screwed because I don't have the funds to get my ECM reflashed or buy a race ECM. Just when I think all is well it all comes crashing down around me  . Nuts, I want to thank you and your family again for a very enjoyable day. Cindy, the kids and myself had a wonderful time. After looking at the weather I think I am out for the Lynchburg trip. The temps are supposed to be in the high 90's and sunny which could be a very bad and dangerous combination. Give me a call if ya'll decide to ride a bit later in the afternoon since I would really like to get a ride in with your Pops before they head home. By the way, I really loved how you denied seeing my rod doubled over from the one that got away. It would have been the biggest Pickerel I have ever caught and probably would have ended up on the wall. | ||
| Nutsosane |
Sorry to hear you won't be able to make it. We'll try to arrange a ride when they loop back through. NUTS | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jackie, If the bike comes up too lean with the "Drummer", you can always put the stock pipe back on until you get the ECM. Or it may show you that it's not that lean. And if you do have a lean spot, you will know what RPM it's at and not to linger there. The dyno is not a death sentence,it just gives you a little knowledge to work with  If you can handle the world's biggest Pickerel, you can handle the dyno results, GITER DONE...Charlie | ||
| Nutsosane |
Jackie, if you want to torture yourself take a look at the map. We'll be taking the BRP up to route 501 and down into Lynchburg. Ask Charlie about Rt501. Sweet! NUTS | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Nut's 501 is a good run into Lynchburg and not that far away. If you ever take the BRP north as far as Winter Green(Ski Resort near Waynesboro) the side roads off the Parkway are to die for. I ran most of them in the phone truck when I worked up there and I would have to stop at the bottom of the Mtn. and put all the stuff back in the storage bins where it got thrown out in the floor(but it was worth it, everytime).....Charlie | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Shootin' the twisties in the work van...good fun! I just leave the junk in the floor, though. Jackie, Sounds like we are in the same boat, or at least fishing in the same cove. Big aspirations of loud pipes, and no fueling solutions. I said "screw it", and threw the pipe on anyway. She seems to run a little better when "opened up" a little on one end or the other. Idle is smoother, torque curve seems flatter. Or maybe it's just me. It may be differen't at your altitude, too. I haven't taken her out with the new pipe yet, and really don't forsee riding "too" much until our trip. It's just too damn hot here. Supposed to be 102*-105* in the shade for the next three days....miserable. Tank | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, Here is Jasons' Dyno run with the Econo Drummer. I can't make any sense of the readings. Does the air/fuel curve show anything obvious to you?  I guess I will get it dyno'd in the near future but for the time being I will ride it for 30 minutes or so after install and then pull the plugs to see what they have to say. | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
It says from 45K to 55K it is dangerously lean(5K).I don't know how many miles he put on the bike with the ecno on, but with a long run he could have done some piston damage.13.8 is about what you want, over 14 is getting too lean, at 5K he's hitting 15. Im amazed he didn't do some damage, and he may have.That 9 should never ping(unlike the 12) if it does,you better push it home............Charlie | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Charlie is right! That graph shows lean right through the middle. It almost looks like the ecm corrected after a certain point, about 5300rpm, and brought it back to "spec". I would be curious to see another run to check if the ecm actually adjusted for that. The "wiggly" part of the graph shows either early ignition, or the ecm "playing" with the numbers, or both I would suspect. Lean = good numbers, but bad for the motor. Like Charlie says above, slightly lean is okay, but that graph is WAY lean. I will run my bike in the next couple days and check the plugs. I'll let you know what happens. p.s. I usually don't run it easy, but she's louder than I'm used to. Tank (I may get Wed. off work so an early run-out may be in order.) (Message edited by tank_bueller on July 31, 2006) | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Charlie, Thanks for the input. So what should I do? If I put the pipe on at the house and then head to the shop is that enough time to cause damage if it is indeed lean? What do you mean by "the 9 shouldn't ping"? Is it something obvious that I will know is happening? So refresh my memory. What are you running on your 9? Tank, Man I hate to make you the guinea pig but if you do make a run PLEASE let me know what your plugs say. Even then I am hesitant. Nuts said he checked his plugs and they were just fine. Scary stuf we are talking about here fellas'!! | ||
| Tank_bueller |
I'm doing it anyway, so a little research to help a brutha out is the least I can do. I plan to "work up to it", whatever "it" is. I figure a good hour ride through the normal route, with on/off throttle, and plenty of "3200rpm" ridin' should tell me plenty just by the way the bike performs. The pipes will be blue'r if there is a problem. I have never heard a "ping" from my bike, and I doubt you will either. Pinging is early detonation in the cylinder due to overheated cylinder walls, hotspots on the pistons, etc. All due to lean running = hotter temps in the chamber. The "12's" seem to be less resistant to this due to the slightly larger bore/ less material to soak up and /or dissipate the greater heat produced. Dang, that's enough tech for tonight. Tank | ||
| Tank_bueller |
p.s. The 12 does not have a larger bore, only a longer stroke. | ||
| Nutsosane |
I'd never guess you guys had YELLOW bikes! They match that streak running through your manhood. Seriously, this pretty much seals the deal with me going back to stock. This and the 165 mile blast in the heat with that muffler droning on and on and on and... NUTS The Drummer really rips, sounds great, rides great, garners major attention but there is a serious issue of tolerance. For short rides of less than 50 miles it's the NUTS. Anything longer and I get over it pretty quickly. About that time my Corbin seat starts letting me know I'm riding a hooligan machine and not a serious mile muncher. Let us remember the above Dyno is from the "econo drummer" The original Drummer is a different creature (let's hope). The 9's will benefit much more from the Race ecm than the 12 will. If memory serves Charlie is running the drummer with race ecm and TFI. The TFI however is tuned down to zero thus doing basically nothing. I've been wrong before and I'd like to think I will be again in the very near future, but I am NUTS | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
I am seriously reconsidering what I am going to do. I want the sound badly but it seems that there are two sides of the fence. On one side I have Kevin saying that the Drummer will be fine with the stock ECM and air cleaner while talking to him. Now I see in another thread where he recommends a race ECM and high flow air filter. Other side is Charlie and a few others I consider quite knowledgeable saying it is probably not a good idea or that I am going to have to end up buying the race ECM anyway. I am getting pretty bunk about the whole thing and have just about had enough. I do not want to run the risk of damaging a new bike over something like this. I am in shock that simply changing the muffler can cause engine destruction. Like I said in another thread, you aren't letting anymore air in so why does it cause such a change in the air/fuel ratio? On a side note I have no blueing on the new bike which I guess means it is dialed in quite well (unless they now coat the inside of the pipe to prevent discoloration). THIS SUCKS!! Charlie & Tank, I once again want to thank ya'll for the input (even though I am now scared crapless to even try it ). | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Tank, If I remember my dyno sheet right, the reg. drummer has a lean spot between 3K and 3500 and that was with the race ecm. With the stock air cleaner and no airbox mods it won't be as bad, but it will still be there. As for the pinging, I think it's a timing thing with the 12's not the bore. Jackie, you should be ok with stock airbox,just don't hang around that rpm range and get it on the dyno so you know for sure. A plug read is not going to tell you anything,unless your lean alot more thanyou are rich.If your A/F ratio is good at idle and above 3500 then thats what your plugs will show, not the lean spot. You could go on a dozen rides and as long as you don't get caught riding in that one lean spot for along time, you'll get by. But you get on a mtn. road where you get stuck on 3K to 3500 for along time,you just got hammered. You asked what I have: Reg. Drummer-airbox mods-race ecm w/tfi and A/F guage. And don't take comfort in "racebikes" with stock ecm. They run different cams and larger cams generally require leanning out. At least that has been my experience with race motors.....Charlie |
