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Bads1
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Man I just got the 1100 post someone want to give me a cookie.
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Nevco1
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bads1...

I forgot to mention the fast on the throttle step followed by opening the choke. That is how you get the vacuum to suck all the little bowls dry.
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Nevco1
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bads1...

No cookie...You get Meadow Muffin !!! LMAO
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Whatever
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cmon Bill, at least give the guy a Kringle wouldya?

Oh, and a Uke's gift certificate for 10 $ ? (just to keep my post bike-related)
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Dynarider
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know race cars arent concerned about emissions & such, but that doesnt answer my question as to why they cant run unleaded? Is there a specific reason they cant? Does unleaded race fule limit horsepower? Does it not smell as cool?
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Bads1
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't want no flippn kringle I want cookie. Dyna the gas I buy is in Union Grove and is unleaded and smells the same some say differently though not as sweet they say.I'm trying to answer your first question but my buddy is busy on his computer and I can't get through to him.Your question is valid and I would like to know the same.I've ran the leaded gas in my bike and it does run alittle smoother, just didn't want to drive to Hales Corner to get it.
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Nevco1
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Char...

Wire the funds and I will make the arrangements. What flavor kringle do you think I should get? LOL.
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Nevco1
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Char...

Forget the funds. He still wants cookies. Think I will take the cookie cutter to the meadow muffins and be done with it.
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Racerx1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ref: Bike storage issues

Yes, the fuel around here is true crap. When we do our cal work with a worst case fuel, we actually use Milwaukee area reformulated RFG. Most fuel systems will do ok over winter with 10%alcohol RFG, but the stuff absorbs water quicker than normal fuel, and if anyuones ever seen what alcohol does to aluminum and some types of rubber components used in fuel systems, you might want to avoid it.

I'm on the same page as Dana about filling a bike up with race gas for the winter, although i actually use AV gas. Its not reformulated and since its regulated by our wonderful government, its formulation/quality is very tightly controlled. It also has a bunch of additives to prevent varnishing in aircraft, which tend to sit for extended periods of time. Much the same as race gas, which tends to be refined to a higher quality with more light end H-C chains that don't tend to settle and created varnish like a heavy end. You get what you pay for.

Leaded race gas is beneficial in race motors for the additional lubricity of the lead additive (especially in the exhaust valve components). Two strokes love the stuff.....you can almost double crank life of a 125 GP bike by using leaded fuel. Like Dana stated, Buell O2 sensors don't like the stuff.....they won't die immediately, but it won't take much more than a tanks worth to kill it.

The only other recomendation is to not store with oxygenated power enhancing race fuels like Powermist or Nutech....they can be as nasty as RFG.

carb bikes: leaded/unleaded race gas or Aviation grade fuel filled to the brim.

EFI bike: high grade unleaded race fuel or 'summer' grade Non-RFG (EG: Indiana fuel)premium. Or drain tank and fuel rail.

my $0.02
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Wes I wanted to say that the leaded gas lubricated the valvetrain better and thats why they use it but I didn't want to stick my foot in my mouth.Also who's coming to tonights meeting. Dana
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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Damn . . .here I was getting ready to hold forth on leaded gas, and Racer beats me to it (no reason to suspect he'd be slower on the board, I spose, than he is in the real world)

I've had gas varnish in carbs, but only when it's sat for 3/4 months, in the cold (like outside, even an unheated garage seems to be OK) . . . I put stabil in the lawn panzer, but not in the bikes . . . . the lawn panzer's carb is about as sophisticated as a straw sitting over a coffee cup of gar, and so is eassily cleaned, if necessary . . . . never had Stabil problems like Dyna experienced, tho . . . . I can understand if you added more than was called for . . . .likethe man sez, RTFM

Char . . . .you're right, never send me to do a woman's job! I'd fail miserably ;-}

see the Uker's tonight . . . .. anyone want to contribute to my Bonneville effort? I'll put yer name on the scoot (ooooooooooo!)
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes indeed the winter blend gas that we get around here is real SH#%.Its bad enough that are summer gas sucks they change over to are winter gas staring beginning October I believe.
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Racerx1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bomber,

Sometimes fast is bad. Just ask Stacey.

Dana, we will be at the meeting tonight (me and stacey)....when is it again? 6:00 or 6:30? For some reason i have to ask every month.....

does anyone coming to the meeting tonight have access to a photo quality color printer that prints on that semi-glossy paper I might be able to shoot some 8 1/2 x 11 .JPG I'd like to get printed? I need about 10 total....
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Meeting is 6:30 Wes my printer will do I nice job but I would have to pick up the paper
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Donsieg
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ditto that Wes.

I've got a new printer - might even have some gloss paper.

Bring your disk

6:30
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Donsieg
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh, and the shifter?
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Lake_Bueller
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RacerX1...So should I be running leaded fuel in my carbed S3? I'm all for doing whatever is neccessary to make the engine last longer. What are the implications of using both (ie: leaded when I can but unleaded while "on the road";)?

Second question...are there any issues with completely draining the tank? I completely emptied the tank on one of my S3's. I closed with petcock, put the fuel cap back on & corked the overflow vent. I was thinking of refilled to the brim but I already have it off the bike (I need to replace the rocker gaskets).

Third question...I've already used Stabil in the other bike. Should I drain that fuel & purge the fuel system? I've never had a problem in the past.

Thanks for any info you can part with!
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Racerx1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lake Bueller,

Leaded Fuel: no nead to run leaded fuel in your carb S3. The big benefit to 4 strokes is lubricity for the exhaust seats, but the Buell heads all have seats/exhaust valve material that are compatible with unleaded fuel. I don't think the benefit of the additional lubricity leaded fuel would provide would be realized on a street bike....plus its illegal to run leaded fuel on the street! Your Buell will last just as long on unleaded as leaded.

Your normally fine draining the gas in your tank, the only problem which could occur is if your bike sees a lot of heat cycling in the winter (like if you use a bullet heater in an unheated garage and the temperature varies >50 deg). You could get condensation in the tank, and the first time you try and start the bike, you get a slug of water through it. You should be ok if the temperature remains fairly constant and your vent is plugged. It would be best to drain your carb for the winter, especially if you are running RFG. The slow jet is usually the first victim of varnish if it occurs.

I have no experience with Stabil and can't comment on its effectiveness.

Best Regards
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've ran both fuels and see no difference in performance but the muffler really turns white inside, burns all that black carbon deposits right out valves must really clean up as well. Don being that your so close to where I get my gas do you go down and get a few gallons ounce in awhile.
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Lake_Bueller
Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RacerX1...."plus its illegal to run leaded fuel on the street"

So is the Makuni flatslide carb, SuperTrapp can, Dyna Ignition, Pro Series Air Cleaner, etc, etc, etc. It's only illegal if you get caught:D
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