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Skinstains
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hate.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 01:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

???
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Oddball
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 01:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Link for you. Plenty of Moco hating there.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27 9012

Personally indifferent on them, they have good points and bad.

(Message edited by Oddball on December 21, 2008)
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Skinstains
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not trying to start a war. Just wondering how many Buellers do and don't care for the mother ship.

(Message edited by skinstains on December 21, 2008)
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Metalstorm
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In what context?

If you mean in regard to customer service I can't say having never had to deal with them.

If you mean the company in general count me in the "love" boat because they're the ones making the bike I like.
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Xbswede
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nothing but great experiences for me.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 02:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh ok, your title was vague, I wasn't sure which one you were talking about.

Love.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm amazed at Harley-Davidson. Other than Martin Guitars no other American company has earned such a place in the history of American business.

As a businessman (Small Business of the Year - 1988, Leadership Kansas -1987, Advanced Management Program, Dallas, TX 1988 and BBA Economics 1977) I am amazed at what they have done. They have defined their market, become intimately familiar with it and moved with it for well over 100 years.

For investors, they've taken $1.00 investments in 1987 and turned them into $10,000 ones. Harley-Davidson had something like 67 consecutive quarters of INCREASING growth. Microsoft can't touch Harley-Davidson achievement.

I'm not always in synch with their products but I always admire them and if you'd read WELL MADE IN AMERICA by Rich Teerlink I'll be you'd have an elevated opinion.

Harley-Davidson, love'em or hate'em stands at the pinnacle of success stories in American business.
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4cammer
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Other than Martin Guitars"............Fender??
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Love or Hate are irrelevant.

HD simply IS.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jalapenos added to my cheese quesadilla last night came back to haunt me this morning but I'm better now.
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Beachbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its not tattooed on my arm for no reason!
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't care for Barry Manilow but I find that I like Broadway musicals.
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Bartimus
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I loved BMC for 13 years now, and will continue to love my tubers.
But after 5 trips to the shop for the same problem, and the problem is STILL not resolved,
and what appears to be minimal help from customer service, I'm done.
This '08 Uly has me becoming a hater! Stop the insanity!
Fix the bike or give me my money back so I can spend it on a bike that will run properly!
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love 'em. They've put food on friends, family, and my table. : )
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've always thought an AMA Twinsport racer replica would be cool (based on the previous generation Sportster)...that's about it.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nothing but respect for the MoCo. They've consistently improved their products, rolled with the market through war, peace, recession and prosperity. They've identified their market, and more than satisfied them. They've built an image that self-propagates. Any business major will tell you, it all adds up to damn near the "ultimate company".

Unfortunately, there are teething pains between HD and Buell. That market HD identified? TOTALLY different than Buell folks. Kudos for the foresight to purchase Buell, and for being able to tell it's part of the "wave of the future" for motorcycling. Now, to just sit down and figure out how to get two obviously differing demographics to be equally happy.

106 years versus 26 years. It's going to take time, that's all.
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Ratbuell
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Love my Buell
would love a dirty 450cc Buell too.
HATE that they cancelled the program, HATE the AMA for changing the rules that spelled the death of the program, HATE that I will have to buy a non American product to fill that niche of my riding and empty spot in my garage.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Unfortunately, there are teething pains between HD and Buell.

Smart business folks see over the horizon. . . . .


quote:

March 3, 2008, 3:49 PM
Porsche to Buy VW
By RICHARD S. CHANG
On Monday, Porsche gained approval from its supervisory board to raise its stake in Volkswagen from 31 percent to more than 50 percent.


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Ironhead1977
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I buy their bikes because they are assembled in the USA. I do not buy their clothing products as I cannot get past all the made in China labels. I do not shop at walmart either. Don't mean to hijack the thread but here is why.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.htm l
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46champ
Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm glad to know I'm not the only person in the country that doesn't shop at Wal-Mart.
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Skinstains
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"F" Walmart and all the fools who patronize their stores. I've never been in one and never will be.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

why hate it? Harley Davidson's inverstment into BMC allowed them to grow and develope new tech that wouldn't have been done in Erik Buell's barn.

Hate the dealerships if you wan't, but the Mothership has been pretty decent to Buell.

(Message edited by Buellinachinashop on December 22, 2008)
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Court
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's absolutely accurate.

Like a marriage, perhaps not perfect but damn good.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buell and HD are like a marriage.... So is MV Agusta the cross town mistress that nobody talks about ?
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't say I hate the MO.CO. but I don't care for the current customer base....

I liked the people that would stop and see if ya needed a hand if you were parked on the side of the road....
Would ride in the rain.....
Would spend more time putting miles on than cleaning their bike....
Wouldn't turn their nose up at you because all you could afford was a rice grinder....

BUT.... they spend money, take Riders Edge Classes... and that helps to keep me on the track!
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

She's the high class call girl.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

.... I just don't want to be client #9...
#1 maybe... but not #9
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I can't say I hate the MO.CO. but I don't care for the current customer base...."

DIE.
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