| Author | Message | ||
     Lakepipe |
anyone know about this new motor coming out? | ||
| Dale |
What do you mean by this? | ||
| Glitch |
I haven't heard anything more than a rumor about a 1300cc engine. I seriously doubt that'll happen though. I did however hear someone say something about a bigger (read longer) frame, for maybe some sort of Sport Touring kind of bike. | ||
| Reepicheep |
My guess (and this is *pure* speculation) would be a street motor with the current race engine geometry. Basically a 1200 or 1350 but with the short XB9 stroke (and a big freaking piston). It would give up some torque, but would probably put down a solid and reliable 110 hp at the rear wheel in street trim. Nice for the XB12R's, but perhaps a step backwards for the XB12S's. Don't know if they would support both geometries in the larger displacement XB's. Maybe so, and the 1350 becomes part of a special limited edition XB88RR or something. As for me, I am running the "new motor" (first released for the 2003 models) in my XB9SX today. I love it. | ||
| Court |
>>>>anyone know about this new motor coming out? Yes, lots of people. The development staff at HD and Buell are, well, in the business of "developing". They are ALWAYS playing with something new and different. Some will see the light of day, some never will and some will be but fertile fodder for the rumor mill. Since the day Henry Ford 'tweaked" the Model "A" to "freshen" it for the 1930 model year, manufacturers have been constantly developing things. The good news is that we, on the internet, thrive on this kind of stuff and the development cycle, typically 3 - 6 years, gives us time to think about it. "Time to think about it", I should hasten to point out, has not always been my best friend. Court | ||
| Brucelee |
If you mean, something other than a Sportster based Twin, I would bet good money against this. We can dream though, huh for more HP and more torque. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Well, my Cyclone clearly had a sportster based twin in it. As I look at my new XB9SX next to the Sporty's at my dealer, it looks to me like things are now inverted, and the sporty's are now running Buell based V-twins. | ||
| Spike |
I'd agree with Reepi's speculation. If we see anything in the form of a new motor it'll be something based on what they're running in FX. I think the next motor will provide a power delivery close to what the current 984cc motor delivers with the peak power a little above what the current 1203cc motor delivers. I also think we're about to see some of the old color schemes come back. An XB would look cool in the molten orange/nuke blue or the volcano gray/orange. Maybe we'll even get another white lightning. Mike L. '04 XB12R | ||
| Reaper |
Ive heard that Buell might be putting a modified version of the V-Rod engine in a chassis the same or similar to the XB's. But then this is just a rumour i heard at the harley garage where i just got my XB12S from. | ||
| Daveinm |
I've heard Buell is gonna come out with a 4 cylinder. I heard it from a very reliable source... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IT CAME OUT MY A$$!!! These rumor threads are ridiculously stupid  | ||
| Rubberdown |
Ya'll 'member that vid with the 5hunnert hp "Busa"? There's your new Buell. Ya heard it here first! | ||
| Cyko_bob |
Quote from Cycle World, March 2005: "A few times last year, Buell ran a short-stroke version of this engine (1350cc). Wit the same big bore and the stock XB9 stroke of 3.125 inches, it displaced only 1170cc, and revved higher than the 1350cc. It made slightly less power, but with the a smoother wider band. Future development may focus on this shorter stroke, but with a further bore increase to bring the displacement back to the class limit." Based on the track and Buell development, it seems reasonable to me for a street engine, that Buell will focus on the shorter stroke (higher revs) and a bigger bore, along with a dual throttle body fuel injection. Forget the V-Rod engine, too big and bulky, more maintenance required for valves. It may be noisy, but the Buell engine is very maintenance friendly and simple. I think Erik enjoys what he can get out of that engine, just to show the world! Erik likes simplicity engineered to the hilt. I like that philosophy and his willingness to bring it to the street...in maybe a milder form than the track. Go Erik! Cyko Bob  | ||
| Glitch |
it displaced only 1170cc Ya reckon that's the same as the 1200 kit for the XB9? | ||
| Cyko_bob |
One of our sponsors has a kit for the XB9; think it comes out to 1150cc. I am thinking Buell will come out closer to the 1200cc mark so as not to allienate the XB12 riders. The 1200cc has kind of been the standard for the quad cam engines anyway. Instead of an 883 Sportster, get the 1200cc (actually 1203cc) Sportster. Instead of the XB9, get the XB12. Too, a short stroke 1200cc engine will appear to be more of an upgraded XB12...or a fusion of the XB9 and XB12. I think Erik is on to something with the short stroke, quad-cam engine, and he is going to pursue that development. That is what is needed on the track, and the track translates to the street. Just MHO....gotta go to work now so I can afford that new Buell next year  See you guys later...Cyko Bob | ||
| Enp83 |
I've got a question I've been meaning to ask, looking at picking up a XB this summer...not completely sure yet on firebolt or lightening, 9 or 12 but... Do the XB9s rev noticably quicker than the XB12s? I would assume so, but I've never ridden any kind of a HD/Buell bike so I have nothing but guesses. So if you can notice it, might be hard to say but how big of a difference is it? The magazines often refer to the 9 as a "small block v8" feel and the 12 as a "big block v8" feel...but that doesn't really help any. | ||
| Starter |
Ride them back to back, the 12 first and all your questions will be answered. Swap a couple of times if your schedule permits. Other than the depth of your pockets this is the only way to experience the difference between both models. | ||
| Fullpower |
the new motor is a liquid nitrogen cooled roots supercharged direct injected two stroke, ceramic composite monoblock split crankshaft counterrotating transverse mounted V8, with 5 pneumaticly operated titanium valves per cylinder. this is from a very reliable source who must remain nameless, but this is for real. | ||
| Fullpower |
enp83 do yourself a favor, wait to test ride the new V8. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Yes, the 9's are much "revier" and respond noticably quicker. Not as much low rev grunt though. Having had both the "low grunt king" Cyclone, and now the 9sx, I find both satisfying. The Cyclone was great fun off the line, but I can probably do more better with the power curve coming from my 9sx. As far as suggesting that the best way to a seriously hot XB is to go with the 9 stroke geometry, and bump the piston size to get close to 1200 cc's, Aaron told us that *years* ago. The rest of that cycle world article (if I am remembering correctly) indicated that a 1200 with the 9 stroke geometry was turning better lap times then their long stroke 1350's were. I bet reliability was FAR better as well. | ||
| Fullpower |
ahh yes but there are also vapor phase and tan- gential gas flow issues to be reckoned with: "In a profound but ignored 1903 paper of enormous consequences, E.T. Whittaker decomposed the scalar EM potential into a harmonic set of bidirectional wave pairs, extending the original 1897 work of Stoney. Each wave pair consists of a wave and its phase conjugate replica (its "anti-wave" or "time-reversed twin".). Thus the scalar potential has a rich internal biwave structure. [Further, one can make a scalar potential by simply assembling the necessary multiple waves, and one can alter the internal structure of the potential at will by altering the waves utilized in the assembly process.] In 1904 Whittaker published a formidable second paper, showing that all of CEM could readily be replaced by scalar potential (hidden multi-wave) interferometry. In other words, scalar EM is far more basic and extensive than is the present CEM with its emphasis upon the force fields. E.g., you can alter the internal structure of the Schroedinger potential, and place deterministic biwave "hidden variables" inside. You can then "engineer" these hidden variables _ and consequently the Schroedinger potential _ by external means. In other words, you can even accomplish at least limited engineering of quantum change itself. This of course reduces the Gibbs statistics (which assumes a totally random quantum change) to a special case, and provides a more general case of chaotic quantum change, which is still statistical but may contain hidden order. Note that this statement is experimentally testable. It also resolves the greatest problem in quantum mechanics today: the problem of the missing chaos (hidden order). " so you see there is a bit more to it than simply "stroke" (Message edited by fullpower on February 22, 2005) | ||
| Court |
I knew it...I knew it...I knew it...soeone just couldn't keep their mouth shut! And all this time I thought Schroeder invented the piano. Court | ||
| Dscak |
FP, don't you have an electric motor to rewind or somethin? You have obviously gotten in over your head or have you just hit your head. You weren't supposed to tell anyone about this. Testing these preproduction models in Alaska in the winter is going to be a problem if you let everyone know about it. We'er gonna have all of Buelldom up here an ya know we don't have the wherewithall to support em. Dan | ||
| Cataract2 |
Nonononono, you guys got it all wrong. They're coming out with a 5 cylender engine. | ||
| Doughnut |
I thought they were working on a V twin automobile? | ||
| Enp83 |
Reepicheep, thanks for the serious and well informed reply I emailed the sales guy I'm talking with today to see about getting a test ride maybe on Friday. When I've been at the dealership he said it wouldn't be a problem getting a test ride, in the email today I told him as long as it was a XB I didn't care if it was a 9 or 12, Firebolt or Lightning for the test ride. | ||
| Reepicheep |
You will love it! Make sure you ride both, I was *amazed* at the difference in the 9r and the 9s. I was even amazed at the difference between a 9s and a 9sx. So make sure you ride both. I could not picture a better fit then my 9s, but would probably never buy a 9r. | ||
| Nedwreck |
I heard the transmission is a 6 speed. Bob | ||
| Enp83 |
Reepicheep, all I've done is sat on both models a few times. I'm really a full on sportbike type of guy so I should lean towards the Firebolt, I like the racey seating position, always wanted the latest and greatest japanesse 600. But for 98% of my riding miles a V-twin makes more sense, and for a great majority of my riding miles I really don't need to be in a racers crouch. The Lightnings stock bar placement seems perfect when just cruising along, and I know people can still have fun in the twisties with it...but I've never ridden a sportbike that sat up like that, and I'm curious as to how much harder it would be to keep the front wheel down on a Lightning compared to a Firebolt. I LOVE going WOT in lower gears from low speed, so I don't want to be fighting the front wheel coming up all the time...but don't get me wrong, I love to pop wheelies every now and again though too. | ||
| Mikethebike72 |
Find a Buell demo ride near you and decide for yourself instead of relaying on these jokers or jackers, your choice.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
The R is absolutely better suited for aggressive track riding, but don't underestimate what you can do on the S. I was not trying to slam the R's, just pointing out that if I knew nothing about Buells and test rode only an R I would not have bought one. They are way different feeling bikes. Erik described the difference once, he said somethign along the lines of liking the S when he is on twisty roads he does not know yet, you get great sightlines and have great leverage on the bars and can adapt quickly. For tracks or roads he knows, he liked the R, as you can get more out of it in an all out racing situation. Both are great bikes, just way different. |
