| Author | Message | ||
     Maxima4xu2 |
ok the jardine is comming off and im putting the stock back on for now you can really feel the bike going way tooooo lean in the upper rpm's of 4th and 5th gear it was actually faster with the stock can and the open airbox the reason i say off for now is as soon as i can afford the pro series ecm or the tfi to correct this problem... then its hello sound again | ||
| Cyko_bob  |
Maxima...I am thinking a Jardine...have the Buell race exhaust, but I want something a little more gutsy. Give me some feedback on it. Oh yes...I am guessing it is an easy install...correct? Thanks for the feedback... | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
yes i love the jardine it is the only resonably priced exhaust on the market imo (beeing all the others call it a exhaust system rather than what it is...a MUFFLER) it is pretty loud when you get on it but mellow when your just cruising around town but ye be forwarned it reall and i mean really flows free and will lean the living s&^t out of your mix unless you get a tfi or the pro series ecm if you have the factory race kit then your good to go especially on a 9 it really emphisizes the top end power and makes even my 12r rev happy it takes almost all that i have to shift fast enough to keep it off the rev limiter as far as install is concerned it is simple but i have found a way on the thing to keep your oil lines way off of it so if you would like i can post pics it is ver simple but it works quite well the first time i installed it the factory way it rubbed 1 of the oil lines pretty bad but scince then i have fixed it and violla no more rubbing ride it till the wheels fall off | ||
| Cyko_bob |
Maxima...yes, post a pic of the how you ran/routed the oil line. I don't want it on the exhaust either, of course. I have the race ECM, but I am sticking with my stock ECM. I ordered a TFI from DaveS...have not ordered another pipe yet, but I am leaning toward the Jardine. As you said, reasonably priced. I like the sound of the D&D, but not $400 difference much. Thanks for the feedback and post a pic(s) of the install if you have time, especially what you did with the oil line. Thanks, Cyko Bob | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
i will post a pic as soon as i get time to climb under the bike and take a pic basically it is just a spacer i "liberated" from a harley on the rear braket but ill show you rather than spend an hour telling | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
ok i went back to the stock can and let me tell you this the stock 12r can is alot beter than the jardine you may gain alot and i mean alot on top with the jardine but the bike is faster and smoother with the stock can and the air box cut out hrmmm...... | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
well till i gett the pro series ecm or talk to my friends and get the race track only you need a license to get ones (you know the programable ones we all dream of) | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
ok nevermind its going back on i think i cant do a roll on wheelie in 2nd gear anymore  but it pulls at under 2k again  | ||
| Tucsonxb9s  |
I think you may want to look at the Techlusion instead of the race ecm. It's less money and a lot of guys a running them here with great success. It'll solve your "holes" through the rpm range and will richen the fuel mix. I know that's the next thing on my list of mods! | ||
| Glitch  |
(you know the programable ones we all dream of) Not me, I wouldn't want to have to tune my injection for altitude and weather changes. I ride in the mountains a lot and I live in the Atlanta area, so weather changes and altitude changes are the norm for me. The TFI from what I've found is the way to go. I've ordered one, so those of you that know me, know I don't give up cash without knowing what I'm getting. TFIs have been out long enough, and enough BadWeBbers are happy with them, I figured it's my turn. | ||
| Wheelsleaning  |
Maxima4xu2; I would like to see your routing too. Waiting on my Jardine and Techlusions from Dave... | ||
| Xbolt12 |
Make SURE you use the new chin fairing brackets (they tie to the forward exhaust mount for the right side and the primary case on the left). The older style without the tie-in WILL break. Probably due to lack of annealed metal on the left bracket and vibration. It happened to me on Saturday and I had to hold the fairing on with some springs for the rest of the ride. xbolt12 | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
my chin fairing broke on the front one of the ears to the 2 screws where it would normally mount to the muffler i was only thinking bout the race ecm to be able to eliminate the exhaust valve motor completely (weight savings) i am confused though do i want to keep the botom end from the stock can or do i want the free reving jardine for up top when i beat the •••• outta my bike in the twisties????? but anyways how the bike is running now is k&n removed inner air box and thats it for mods unless i decide to put the jardine back on i dunno any opinions would be appreciated | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
ohhh i have noticed that the bike doesnt like to "fall" into corners or flick back the opositte way as much now stock can it flicked around beter well noticably beter with the jardine the only plus is that low speed balance and agility is beter with the stock can | ||
| Cyko_bob |
XBolt12 The following comment...is this about the Jardine or the stock can? Make SURE you use the new chin fairing brackets (they tie to the forward exhaust mount for the right side and the primary case on the left). The older style without the tie-in WILL break. Probably due to lack of annealed metal on the left bracket and vibration. | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
yes yes yes i know i have the newest version of the mounts i am just po'ed about the fact that even with the new mounts the freakin chin fairing still broke one of the front screw ears off hrmmm what about running without the chin fairing???? does it do anything more than just cosmetics for the bike i.e. help break the wind force more air up into the motor i mean hrmmm so many possiblilities so little knowledge *shrug* and yes i am running the stocl can again atm and im a little po'ed that it wont do a roll on wheelie in second without the jardine but with the jardine i loose pretty much all of my botom end i dont know what to do ACK!!! | ||
| Reepicheep  |
I guess it protects the oil filter from "puncture wounds", but if you look at where the oil filter is on an SV-650, this must not be as big a risk as I would think. | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
A roll on wheelie in second??? wow. And someone else on here said they could pull a wheelie in 3rd with a few power mods. Either I just need more practice or there is something wrong on my 12... | ||
| BadS1  |
A roll on wheelie with a 12...not gonna happen.Ya need just a tiny bit of clutch.Third gear wheelies yeah not much of one but it can above 50mph and really clutching it. | ||
| M1combat  |
Mine does roll on wheelies... At 5000' Elevation too (Where I live). I get to about 3K RPM's and steady the throttle, then open it up. Pulls the front end right up. Starting from about 1800-2000 I can pull the front off the ground about five inches for about eight feet. No clutch and no front end bouncing required. That is... if the rear tire decides to hook instead of spin for a couple revolutions. I almost flipped it over backwards near sea level in California once (during the American Sport Bike BBQ). Only a drilled airbox, pulled snorkel and a K&N for mods... | ||
| BadS1 |
Sure it will in first but not second. | ||
| Wheelsleaning |
1st gear, no clutch = tire to the sky. 2nd gear, clutch = tire to the sky. 3rd gear, lots o clutch = front tir hop. (stock with K&N) | ||
| BadS1 |
Thats exactly what they will do Wheels. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
Ahem.... 1st gear-no clutch, easily lofts the wheel and also easy to almost loop it! 2nd gear-no clutch, sometimes will power wheelie on a first to second shift to the point I have to back off the throttle or loop it. This is simply a quick shift on acceleration, not a speed shift and not bouncing the bike or pulling up on the bars. I have not figured out yet when it will and when it won't-seems to vary. I have pulled a 2nd gear hard roll on wheelie at about 45 mph in second with no pulling on the bars, clutching, or shifting. This is with a 12R, Jardine, TFI, cut airbox, snorkel pull, and race filter. Again, it will definitely pull a second gear wheelie without doing anything other than nailing the gas. I am not sure why it is not always repeatable, but it is probably me. BTW: I believe it happens around 4k RPM, but to tell you the truth I am not looking at the tach! xbolt12 | ||
| BadS1 |
Hmmm I wonder why none of the 12's I've ridden will do a power wheelie in second.You guys might of just got ones with special motors in them. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
Yeah, my chin fairing broke at the tab where the two pieces join together at the front. No big surprise there. I expected it to happen as the front is unsupported. I believe a simple piece of aluminum strap would have prevented this (are you listening Jardine)? No biggie though as I think it was caused by the fairing bouncing around after the bracket broke and I will probably just glass it or carbon fiber it back together and that will solve the light showing through the seam which I think looks cheesy anyway (there is open space behind the front of the fairing with the stock exhaust removed and you can see light through the joints in the front of the chin fairing because the dark stock pipe is gone). Even with that piece broken, the fairing still stays put with the new brackets, so I may get lazy and just epoxy it back together and stick a gusset in the epoxy. Come to think of it at that point I might as well just use carbon fiber material as the gusset. The biggest question in my mind is whether I now have to pull the chin fairing bracket to drop my oil filter now? xbolt12 | ||
| 12bolt  |
Pulling the front off the ground a little in second can be done if your really getting on it but pulling a sustainable wheelie in second is another story. I have yet do one. I think your best option is to pull one up in first and then shift into second. | ||
| Maxima4xu2 |
ge to around 4k-4.5k durring acceleration roll off fast then slam it open it comes right up in second | ||
| Dropnstyle |
i have a xb9r and can do second gear stand ups all day long..45mph clutch, gas, and ride. dont like sit downs because i cant see. brian. ps that was with a stock 9 with just a drilled 9 airbox. | ||
| Trenchtractor  |
'Sure it will in first but not second.' My 12 does... In fact it has floated the front about a foot off the deck for about 10 meters on occassion... IN THIRD! And it's a basket case bike that had 'issues' with the pro series kit, so I've got a bunch of home made parts on it... |
