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Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 06:30 pm: | 
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Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 10:53 pm: |
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As I said, the plastic frame sliders are lighter weight; they are by far the more popular style on racing machines.
Take note of the style of bar end sliders #13 is using. Not anything like the type you are advocating. Though they may be plastic, their configuration is very close to the aluminum ones I run. They are a LOT less likely to be torn off the bars in a crash.
Please be assured though that you are free to showcase your ignorance and continue badmouthing aluminum sliders. Have at it. Maybe you can start a "save the asphalt" movement.  |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:05 pm: |
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Not ignorance..its a preference.
You want big shiny metal sliders...have at it Chrome boy |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 12:51 am: |
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My aluminum bar end sliders are black. The left side slider is visible in my profile pic. Black it be. If you had been paying any attention, you would know I'm not the type for bling.
You are telling people that There is no way I would use any type of metal "slider" and that such sliders may be prohibited over worries about gouging the track.
Three sponsors of this very site are selling aluminum swingarm and fork sliders and there is not a better slider for the Buells on the market.
Try again. |
Xb9er
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 12:53 am: |
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The bar end sliders on the #13 Buell are the
Stock XB plastic end caps!   - Mike. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 01:03 am: |
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Well I certainly cant make out any sliders in your pic. And the only ones I have seen for tube frame Buells are the LSL ones which utilize a metal mount & a plastic slider.
As for the XB's, so far the best sliders have turned out to be either the Carbon fiber frame covers or the new ones that stick on from Buell.
like I said before, its a personal taste type deal. You want big heavy metal sliders, go for it. I'll stick with the cheap/cheezy/liteweight/plastic ones the pros use
Hopefully you never need to find out how either type works. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 01:05 am: |
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BTW, usually when you see the metal bar ends listed they are described as "bar end weights" most folks that do install such a unit do so in an attempt to quell vibrations, which those bar end weights do a good job off. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 03:19 am: |
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Wrong again.
The Dark Horse Moto aluminum swingarm and fork sliders are neither big nor heavy. Neither are my aluminum bar end sliders, and they will protect the bike a hell of a lot better than plastic on account of they won't get ripped out of the handlebars like the big dorky/crappy ones you think are all the rage.
But hey if thinking a couple cheap dorky plastic protrusions will make you just like the racers then please do have at it and live whatever fantasy trips your trigger.
And if you ever crash your R1, we'll all be sure to thank you for being so considerate as to not hurt the asphalt.  That was a good one. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 08:50 am: |
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Perhaps you enjoy riding over ripped up asphalt while leaned over & railing thru your favorite corner? I prefer a nice smooth surface on a track. Anyway that will limit the damage to the surface which allows the track owners to get more years out of it without having to fix it which ends up costing us more in fees, im all for.
I have ridden on a track that was very chewed up from indy style cars which sit extremely low & were actually bottoming out & chewing the hell out of the surface. Potholes that were forming, etc. Its not fun having only 1 line around because you need to avoid all the problems.
Neither are my aluminum bar end sliders, and they will protect the bike a hell of a lot better than plastic on account of they won't get ripped out of the handlebars like the big dorky/crappy ones you think are all the rage.
Proof please. I have seen several bikes go down & not once have I seen the big dorky/crappy bar ends get ripped out. They utilize the exact same mounting setup as the aluminum units.
Like I said, everyone is free to choose their own setup. You can stick with your dark ages metal sliders. I will go with the space age polymer setup. Step into the light, embrace the future of plastic |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 02:07 pm: |
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How many times have you corner worked for a day of sprint racing? How many crashed bikes have you had remove from the track and collect the broken bits from? Obviously none.
Quick, go get yourself some plastic foot pegs, a plastic toe shifter, a plastic rear brake lever, a plastic front brake lever and plastic clutch levers! Might also want to rethink leaving your kickstand mounted and unsecured. Kickstands are prohibited in actual races.
If you think that blunt edged aluminum sliders are a danger to the track, you suffer from an overactive imagination. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 02:12 pm: |
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You still debating this? Its last weeks news.
I figured you would be out at Pep Boys picking up some new chrome sliders or something by now?
BTW, with proper sliders your brake levers..both of them will never hit the pavement & neither will your clutch lever. That only leaves the pegs which are mounted on pivots & swing up out of the way. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 06:23 pm: |
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Wrong again. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 06:27 pm: |
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do the 2 of u like arguing with each other? |
Keith
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 06:48 pm: |
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In case anyone really cares, the first set of sliders I made after my low side were made of Delrin.
However, I wanted to hide the mounting hardware for a cleaner look. I have not actually tested it, but threads in Delrin probably do not have the pull out strength that Aluminum 6061-T6 does.
I too was concerned about using aluminum for a slider. But, as Blake has pointed out many reputable manufacturers make theirs from aluminum. And, my handle bar sliders are made of aluminum and as you can see, quite a bit was ground down on a relatively short slide.
Based on sales to date, many Buell owners want accessories that are functional and compliment the looks of the bike.
Keith |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 07:45 pm: |
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do the 2 of u like arguing with each other?
Yes
I could tell Blake the sky is blue & he would argue that its due to color filtration & allowances of the spectrum we can see that allows us to see the color blue, but its actually made up of all colors. Or some crazy crap like that
I have not actually tested it, but threads in Delrin probably do not have the pull out strength that Aluminum 6061-T6 does.
Agreed & thats why polymer sliders off all types have mounting hardware that is countersunk & doesnt rely on the strength of any plastic. Same exact mounts as those metal ones you posted a pic of, so any claims of them pulling out or failing are simply ridiculous. |
Dcmortalcoil
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 12:41 am: |
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Don't mean to sidetrack here, anyone know the maker of the brake lever/master cylinder on #13? |
Starter
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 03:44 pm: |
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Looks to be a radial Nissin found on nearly every sports bike. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 04:40 pm: |
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I ask again, how many times have you corner worked for a day of sprint racing? How many crashed bikes have you had to remove from the track and collect the broken bits from? How many times have you crashed and seen the results on your plastic bar-end sliders?
No plastic can hope to compare to the strength of 6061-T6 aluminum alloy. And the further a slider protrudes, the more likely it will break or get ripped off its mounts. Simple facts.
But don't listen to me, I'm just an old structural analyst who has spent a significant amount of time at the racetrack gathering up crashed bikes and their bits and pieces that get torn off or broken during a crash. I've also experienced first hand the failure of plastic bar-end sliders.
Some people have trouble admitting when they are wrong. Greg is their leader.
He would be correct in saying that the sky is blue. No need to refute that. In fact he could say the sky is purple with green stripes and I wouldn't care or see a need to rebut. Bullshit like that would be clear for all to see with no need for further clarification from me or anyone else.
However, when out of ignorance someone makes erroneous statements on the subject of motorcycle accessories, especially as related to products that are offered by our sponsors, I will set the record straight every time. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 06:29 pm: |
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DCMortalCoil - I think it's a forged Brembo (was a while ago) |
Robxb
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 06:55 pm: |
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What the hell did I start ??? |
Tucsonxb9s
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 09:04 pm: |
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You'd have been better off asking about the Buell frame pucks! |
Noface
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 10:22 am: |
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Blake wrote: Some people have trouble admitting when they are wrong. Greg is their leader.
Man, that's the best comeback I've seen in awhile. Especially having read both of ya'lls posts in the past few years!
Come on Greg, show us what ya got! |
Jerseyguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 11:16 am: |
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Here's a shot of my Titanium sliders after my low side. There was no damage to the asphalt in my parking lot where I dumped it on slick new Metzlers.
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Midknyte
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 11:58 am: |
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Jersey -
Swingarm survived. What other damage did you incur? Anything other than incidentals (bar-ends, footpegs, etc.)? |
Keith
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 01:11 pm: |
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The racing organization (CMRA) that Blake and I are active members of does not require that sliders be made of any particular material. If damaging the racing surface really is a problem with metal sliders, I can assure you the CMRA would ban them.
If metal sliders are a problem, then the foot pegs, the foot brake and hand brake levers, and the shifter would also have to be made of plastic.
Keith |
Metalstorm
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 01:18 pm: |
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Even if there were gouges in the asphalt, all you'd need is a torch, a vibra plate, some tack oil and either 3/8th mix or berm mix or topeka mix and the road will be good as new in less than hour. Repairing asphalt ain't no big thing and it's cheap too. (extremely cheap when compared to say concrete.) |
Jeremyh
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 02:59 pm: |
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robxb, most any time a post is brought out like this you will see a lot of ego craze attack. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 03:12 pm: |
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Even if there were gouges in the asphalt, all you'd need is Duct Tape! |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:16 pm: |
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Duct tape sliders? 
(Message edited by midknyte on November 30, 2004) |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:17 pm: |
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cant duct it f**k it! |
M1combat
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:31 pm: |
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I have watched first hand the fact that the Buell frame pucks DO work. |
Metalstorm
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:41 pm: |
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"Even if there were gouges in the asphalt, all you'd need is Duct Tape!"
hehe I'll have to try that. It just might work! 
So far I've only used duct tape to hold the soles of my work boots back on after they've melted off. It adds at least three more months of use to them.  |
Keith
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 05:44 pm: |
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If any of you guys read "Motorcyclist" magazine, you have probably read the series that King Kenny Roberts is writing. He noted that when they first started dragging their knees, they did not have knee sliders like we do and the leather tended to grab.
What was the answer? Duct tape, of course!
Keith |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 07:15 pm: |
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Duct tape?
Oh, you mean Arkansas Chrome!!
rt |
Jarhead
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 03:32 pm: |
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Jersey, Did you have the frame pucks on as well? |
