| Author | Message | ||
     Firebolt1203 |
Does anyone know who makes Harley's Screamin Eagle Syn3 oil? I've heard its Golden Spectro. I've been running GS Vsyn3 in my bike since my first oil change. It would be easier for me, although more expensive, to get it at the Harley dealer if it is made by GS. | ||
| BadS1 |
Citgo | ||
| Starter |
Citgo makes the dino oil range but I thought it was Castrol for the syn. | ||
| BadS1 |
Nope its Citgo.It was asked at P.O.T. last year when HD was talk'n to us about there new products. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Dana...we had this talk before & Citgo definitely makes the dino oil for them, but im pretty damn sure they dont make the syn. Just cant recall right now who it is. | ||
| BadS1 |
Dyna I was in the room when the question was asked.It was at primary officer training.Its Citgo....I guess HD doesn't know who makes it for them then.LOL | ||
| Evil_twin |
I have heard, from a very reliable source, that the SE Syn is indeed Mobil 1. Flame away. I believe him. He also went on to tell me that they originally wanted AMSoil, but AMS refused because they couldn't put their logo on with the HD. So, they managed to get Mobil. Rich  | ||
| BadS1 |
Dyna if I remember right it was Paul Rapp (regional manager)I think he would know. | ||
| Whistle |
KFC makes the screamin chicken oil. You should see the additive package they use! | ||
| Jeremyh |
just go to your local grocery store and buy a brick of lard, melt it down and spill it in the swingarm if you want the KFC special oil.  | ||
| Gearhead |
Firebolt1203, I run Syn 3 in my XB12R and my wife's 883. I wanted the advantages of synthetic oil but went with SYN 3 because of RESALE. I figured it would be easier to sell either bike to ORDINARY people if they knew they could buy the oil from the local HD shop. Yes, it's more $$ but since I now go farther on each change I figure it all works out in the end. IMO... | ||
| Cataract2 |
I run only Mobil 1 or Amsoil in mine. Much better oil for the bike. | ||
| BadS1 |
 Why is better???My neighbor is a AMSOIL rep and one of the guys in my Brag chapter is also.Tryed all three all did the same.I'm stick'n with Syntec-3 | ||
| Xb9er |
I took a big drink of the Mobil 1 and the Screamin Eagle Syn-3. They taste the same to me!  As long as you avoid dino oils, use full synthetic oils, and don't use any hocus pocus anti-friction additives your powerplant will be fine. Mike. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
As long as you avoid dino oils ??? Mike, so long as you change the oil regularly your motor wont know the difference. | ||
| Blake |
Considering that conventional oil contains inferior compounds and additives that break down rapidly in harsh environments, that is not necessarily true, especially if you operate your bike in high temperatures and/or run it aggressively. Why do high performance racing machines always use synthetic oil? Because it provides superior lubrication in extreme environments. The benefits of synthetic oil are real and significant. Is it likely that your engine will fail prematurely due to lubricative deficiencies if you run conventional oil and adhere to recommended change intervals? No of course not, but it will not be lubricated as well in scenarios involving aggressive use and/or extreme heat. Synthetic lubricants are superior to conventional oils, period. Synthetic oils also offer better residual cling; they have an ionic affinity for metal that allows them to maintain a thicker film after engine shutdown and thus better protect against start-up wear, the most common long term mode of failure attributed to insufficient lubrication. Synthetic oils also provide better cold starting flowability, helping to get the lubricant to the places where it is needed more efficiently and quickly. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Blake, I agree that syns are better for the points you mentioned, however for the average rider who changes his oil by the book they will never know the difference. Now obviously if you do a lot of track days or race, etc where you stress the motor & induce more heat into it, then anything you can do lower heat & friction would be a plus. | ||
| Blake |
Just one clarification followed by more bloviating on lubrication  ... Synthetic oil will not appreciably lower engine heat or friction. It will tolerate heat much better though. Hydrodynamic lubrication works by maintaining a film of lubricant that separates opposing moving surfaces, thus preventing any metal to metal contact. Both synthetic and conventional oils contain the same anti-wear additives as insurance against metal to metal contact, should it occur. That said there are cases where hydrodynamic lubrication is not feasible in our Buell engines, like on the cams at low speeds and at the rocker arms and valve stem contact surfaces. But for the most part, opposing lubricated surfaces in our engines should remain separated by oil film. Startup is one exception where that rule is compromised. | ||
| Captainkirk |
Blake; FYI, when I bought my M2 (used) the dealer mechanic who prepped it for me informed me that the (limited) 1 year warranty would be void if I used ANYTHING other than HD 20W50. I don't know how they could've proved otherwise, but I found it curious. (After this revelation, he proceeded to tell me the famous "Too slippery for ball bearings" story which many of you have also mentioned hearing) My basic (and only) complaint against synth is that you can change your oil many more times for the same cost with the added advantage of getting the crap and moisture out of your engine; whereas synth runners tend to leave it in the case too long ("it's only got 1000 miles on it"...(six months later...oops)...other than that, you are 100% correct. But as long as we're on the subject, has anyone done any LONG TERM high-mileage teardown comparisons of synth v. dino with verifiable results? I've seen plenty of 'em on air-cooled aircraft engines, and the results are nearly universal...the SEMI-SYNTHETICS out-perform both the full-synthetics as well as the mineral-based multi-vis oils in almost every case. In fact, the only full synthetic piston engine oil (name withheld to protect the losers) was pulled from the market after a flurry of lawsuits...which were lost, BTW...and subsequent mammoth settlement payouts. I have no doubts about the synthetics being a better product, but is there a track record in the Buells to back it up? I know lots of you guys have been running synth for years; who's got the most miles on synth, and with what results? |
