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Ishampadron
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2018 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone ever used a Shorai or any other brand Lipo battery on their XBR? If so which is the one to get?

(Message edited by ishampadron on September 21, 2018)
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1_mike
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2018 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep.

I used the same part number battery that comes in the RX1190 in my XB12s.
Look it up on the Shorai web site.
My RX was apart for a valve adjustment, so I had to take my XB12 to work. When I hit the start button...nuthin. I swapped the RX battery into the XB and off I went. I bought a second battery to put back into the RX.

You need to use something to take up the excess room because it's much smaller than the lead acid battery.

It spins the starter faster than the three previous lead acid batteries that were in it.
Been in for about a year now.

Mike
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Shoggin
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2018 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Absolutely the same experience here.

I love it. Call Shorai direct and talk to Marianne. They are awesome, motorcyclists, and even Buellers.

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Ishampadron
Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2018 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Super cool. Will it charge and maintain well with a tender?
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1_mike
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It will charge...BUT.
A "normal" charger will not "equalize" the cells.
As it was explained to me, that needs to be done every now and again to keep the battery in top condition.

I've got a Shorai charger. I use(d) it about once a month while daily driving my RX 85 miles a day to work and back for almost 35,000 miles (till I retired).

It's still going strong in my XB12.

Just call the Shorai guys and ask about the care and feeding of their batterys.
That's the way to get the best info..!

Mike
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Ishampadron
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, It doesn't have a BMS. You have to buy that separate with Shorai

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/shorai-battery -management-system

Heard this one has a BMS built in. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DX89ANY/?coliid=I18XW PY48Y14K4&colid=W84RC3YDP8O7&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_ dp_it#productDetails
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651lance
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been using a Billistic lithium battery for 6 years now and is ok. I love that its light weight but they have their issues.

First they do not like colder weather. If its cold (under 60) they will act like they are dead on the first and second attempt to start but will start on the third one.

The second and biggest issue with all lithium batteries is they cant handle being over charged. if your using a high output voltage regulator or your regulator starts over charging the system the battery can start on FIRE . I've see two of they returned that have caught on fire and Ricks electrics even state not to use their high output regulator with lithium batteries.
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Ishampadron
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah that's why they need a BMS. The BMS protects against all this. Its odd that Shorai does not have a BMS built in, In the electric skateboard world pretty much all L-ions have BMS and all you need to charge is a 12v charger.

(Message edited by ishampadron on September 24, 2018)
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Shoggin
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI Li-Ion is not Li-Po. Li-Ion (Shorai) should love more voltage?

But yes, use a specific charger/maintainer for whatever battery you get. They're about $70 from Shorai.
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Ishampadron
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp3Vhrr0b3Q
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1_mike
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For what it's worth...
While SoCal doesn't get THAT cold, I never had a problem starting my RX in about 38/40 degree, (4:30am) mornings.

Mike
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Shoggin
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Honestly me either? They do have a 'warning' that you should turn on the headlights for a little bit in cold weather before trying to start it for that exact reason.

Counter-intuitive. I know. but a small price to pay for no more crank-stall-crank-crank-vroom Buellizm anymore: )
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put in a Lipo battery into my 1125R about 2-3 months ago and so far it rocks...but then again any battery should be ok in this time frame. Time will tell, but I spent about hundred bucks on the Bike Master brand and I was impressed with the quality, lightweight & performance thusfar. At this point, I can't see myself ever using a lead acid battery again in a motorcycle.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2018 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And for those that are in cold weather areas, a few cranks will get the battery up to voltage. Unless you are in a VERY cold place, I don't think this should be an issue.
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