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Kaveman
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just thought you'd like to have a look.
KavemanTank Graphics
BTW: I know... It's the AirBox!!!

(Message edited by Kaveman on November 10, 2004)

Admin removed reference to non-sponsor retailer who is blatantly violating HDI/Buell trademark rights. Others are hereby advised to not promote any such non-sponsor HD/Buell monikered products on this board, and especially to not attribute the sale of any such illegal products in any way to BadWeatherBikers.com!

Thank you for understanding this sensitive issue and for your willing cooperation in the matter.

Blake


(Message edited by blake on November 16, 2004)
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Trevorxb9s
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did you have any problems with color fade after removing the original graphics? How did you remove the originals?
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Kaveman
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I removed the original "Buell" individual letters with a blow dryer to heat/soften them and then just peeled carefully. One set is now stuck on my toolbox, the other will go on the work toolbox.
As for fade, didn't have an issue with it. Just polished the cover and installed the new graphics...
Kaveman

(Message edited by Kaveman on November 11, 2004)
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Cataract2
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I want one 2 of those stickers. Help stick it to those honda owners who do that. lol.
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Ingemar
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 01:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lol - Whenever you pass one of them ricerockets stick one on their back.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 04:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think the HD logo with Buell in it is quite confusing.

Thinking about putting my Saab bade in the middle of a GM bowtie and see who I can cornfuse.

I've spent years trying to convince people of the differences between Buell and HD.



Geeesssh
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Gonen60
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've spent years trying to convince people of the differences between Buell and HD.


First off you have quite a mission mapped out for yourself...2nd,
Sounds to me this decal design is not for you.
Geeesssh}
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court - I'll have to disagree with you on this one my friend. I really like it.
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Blaster_s
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the orange and white one on my black Blast. Many people like it and understand the lineage of HD and Buell when they see it. The black decal on the yellow looks great!
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Gonen60
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the orange and white one on my black Blast. Many people like it and understand the lineage of HD and Buell when they see it. The black decal on the yellow looks great!


post an image!
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Buelluk
Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a silver lined version on the back window of my silver Element
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Jcmgroom
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Very nice work, I have them on my XB9S , xxxx at xxxxxxxxxx is a good man,

He may be a good man in your eyes, but the truth is that he is in blatant violation of HD/Buell trademark rights. Thus he is engaging in unlawful activity, and is along with those above is promoting said illegal activity on this board. He is thus subjecting this board to nefarious action and a significant risk of legal reprisal from interested parties.

Not only that, he is promoting his wares in direct violation of board policy by promoting his product without paying for sponsorship of the site.

If BadWeB is to continue, it must in no way be seen to support any such activity. I hope I'm clear on that. I hope people will put egos aside and agree that those who are offering their Buell monikered products as non-sponsors and viloators of HD/Buell trademark rights do NOT in any way have the best interests of this board at heart.

I'll not argue this issue any further. Any further violations of board policy in this respect will result in immediate and permanent suspension of access to BadWeatherBikers.com.

Thanks in advance for your understanding and well intentioned cooperation on this issue. Let's not let a sticker ruin our otherwise upbeat and creative fun here. : )

Cheers,

Blake




(Message edited by blake on November 16, 2004)
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Vr1203
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 02:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quote.....(I've spent years trying to convince people of the differences between Buell and HD.



Geeesssh)

Ya, Nailed me a couple of times!!!But it is something somebody should have built!,right Court?
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 04:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

vr people might ridicule ur bike occasionaly but i think it looks awsome and it looks like the closest thing u could get to owning a real vr unless u have like $50,000 to throw on a bike
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Gonen60
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

VR, your bike looks awesome. Can you give some history on it please.
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Vr1203
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gonen60,, Do a "vr1203" search on this site, I chronicled just about every mishap and triumph I came upon.12lbs boost,H2O injection, 1250 kit,flat slide Mikuni,Brian Olesen fuel system,Yamaha Seca turbo intake parts.
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually, these are reflective helmet graphics. Depending on the light they change from dark grey to silver.



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Bcordb3
Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brian,

Like the tank decals, where did you find those? Second question what type of adhesive did you use to reattach the Buell logo?

(Message edited by bcordb3 on November 13, 2004)
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The flames came as a set of helmet decals. Check them out here:

http://reflectivedecals.com/flamedecals.htm

I never removed the Buell emblems. Believe it or not, I actually used and X-acto knife and cut between each letter.
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Kkrider
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks, guys..!
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Muell Tank Logo
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In case anyone missed my comments added to some of the posts above...

The truth is that the maker/peddler of the Buell monikered stickers shown above is in blatant violation of HD/Buell trademark rights. Thus he is engaging in unlawful activity and at the expense of BadWeatherBikers.com. He and those who aid him are promoting said illegal activity on this board and are thus subjecting this board to nefarious action and a significant risk of legal reprisal from interested parties.

Not only that, the subject individual and those aiding his freeloading marketing efforts here are promoting his wares in direct violation of board policy by promoting his product without paying for sponsorship of the site.

If BadWeB is to continue, it must in no way be seen to condone let alone support any such self serving illegal activity. I hope I'm clear on this. I hope people will put egos aside and agree that those who are promoting Buell monikered products as non-sponsors and violators of HD/Buell trademark rights do NOT in any way have the best interests of this board at heart.

I accept that harming this board was not the intention of any involved and that enthusiasm sometimes trumps our better judgment and consideration.

But I'll not argue this issue any further. Any further violations of board policy in this respect will result in immediate and permanent suspension of access to BadWeatherBikers.com.

Thanks in advance for your understanding and well intentioned cooperation on this issue. Let's not let a sticker ruin our otherwise upbeat and creative atmosphere here.

Cheers,

Blake : )
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Kkrider
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"The truth is that the maker/peddler of the Buell monikered stickers shown above is in blatant violation of HD/Buell trademark rights"

The real truth is, that may not be so. I'm not a patent attorney, are you?

Therefore I'm not prepared to make such a definitive blanket statement without seeing the explicit rules regarding this question.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Trust me on this.
I work for Coca-Cola Legal Connections.
This is trademark infringement.
Any logo made for profit that is not registered to you is illegal.
Whether or not it looks just like the registered one.
Corporations are very possessive of their logos, trademarks ect.
The only way around this is to make the logo by you for you only.
I see lots of infringement cases that are "smaller" in scale than this go to court.
The "little" guy always loses.
I hope ya'll don't find this out the hard way.
So if this is what you want to do, I would suggest you not advertise it on a publicly accessible forum.

*Edit* or not for profit, it only has to be sold.
I just checked with a patent/trademark attorney friend from work.

(Message edited by glitch on November 16, 2004)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Edmond (Kkrider),

I stand by my statement of the truth. Before you again question my statement and my thus my integrity on a public forum, I suggest you collect some supporting evidence, at least something more than your personal ignorance of the issue as justification for doubting a statement of fact. I have little to no tolerance for such contrary and argumentative bullshit.
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Fbolt
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As my spouse is a Patent (Intellectual Property) Attorney and based on the last 10 years of dinner, party, and work related conversations (boooring!), I can say in my somewhat educated opinion, that that is what is called trademark dilution. A trademark that is a serious money maker for HD. As a matter of fact (ok, based on my limited knowledge), HD even attempted to patent or trademark the Vtwin rumble sound as well. Anyway, this dilution of the trademark, one that they have so seriously protected and developed, is something that they would have no problem litigating. If you need further information, I would suggest contacting the PTO (Patent Trademark Office) in Arlington, VA.

The little man does lose, unless they want make a deal for the stickers where they pay a portion to HD for every sticker they would sell. It's called business...
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

HD and Buell are VERY PARTICULAR on how their logos are used EVEN WITH PERMISSION.

If you look at the book given to BRAG officers, there are VERY SPECIFIC sizes and configurations of logos that are authorized and only in certain applications.

I know many people don't think highly of Intellectual Property but it's kinda like ripping a few songs for your own listening or copying a TV show for later viewing... or selling the same stuff - 2 different issues.

My company pays me to develop stuff. The stuff I develop might be patented. They paid huge bucks to get a competitive advantage by funding the research. They will (and have) gone after people using their Intellectual Property without authorization or compensation. Nothing new.

I really can't hold it against HD or Buell in their wanting to protect their property
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Jcmgroom
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I Just removed the sticker from my bike.
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I paid Sandra Lara (http://www.sdlara.com) - $250 for the "Muell" logo that I put on my airbox cover. I'd be kinda pissed off if somebody lifted it and put it on their bike/trailer/toolbox without asking. Truthfully, I'd probably not give a care, it's just the principle of the thing. Sandra Lara still has the copyright - it's just that with paying her, I have unlimited distribution rights - I just can't change or alter the image except in size.

After I came up with it, the Lavin-Yurassov Racing logo had to be altered so that it didn't resemble the 3-eyed alien smiley from the comedy movie "Evolution" - one of our Club members works for Universal and reviewed the changes before I went ahead with the final image.
Evolution Smiley
Lavin Yurassov Racing
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Bonesbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You've seen the decals of little boy whizzing on a Chevy/Dodge/Ford or 28 Jeff Gordon : )? Well it is fact that Chevy/Dodge/Ford make money on those, even Jeff Gordon. So when you buy a sticker that has kid whizzing on Suzuki, your actually giving money to Suzuki.
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Xb9er
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Slaughter, was written permission secured to be able to use the Alpinestars logo in that Muell graphic you posted?

Just kidding

But seriously, I want to make clear that in my opinion laws against trademark dilution are necessary. I see nothing wrong with a company going after the "little guy" if they don't bother to get the appropriate licensing for products they intend to market and sell.
Mike.

(Message edited by xb9er on November 17, 2004)
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Gonen60
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

or the XB9/R being wrangled?..
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Buelluk
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Or Dan Sergison's use of the Buell script on his sprocket cover ...nice piece of work ...but on dodgy copyright ground based on the letters above
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Use of trademark is not a problem unless it is offered for sale or in large quantities. No company is going to go after someone who carves a trademark into a couple one-off parts. Let's use a little common sense here.
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Kkrider
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"The truth is that the maker/peddler of the Buell monikered stickers shown above is in blatant violation of HD/Buell trademark rights"

The real truth is, that may not be so. I'm not a patent attorney, are you?

Therefore I'm not prepared to make such a definitive blanket statement without seeing the explicit rules regarding this question.

Edmond (Kkrider),

I stand by my statement of the truth. Before you again question my statement and my thus my integrity on a public forum, I suggest you collect some supporting evidence, at least something more than your personal ignorance of the issue as justification for doubting a statement of fact. I have little to no tolerance for such contrary and argumentative bullshit.

Bitch (Blake),

Like anybody would give a some retard has tolerance for!
Along with being ignorant, and without common sense you apparently can't comprehend either, because I never made a blanket statement of fact, ("may" from my post) would be the key word with regard to you're bogus rebuttal attempt.

Lets have a big round of applause for the idiot that thinks he can rebut a question. If there ever was a prime example of someone not knowing anything about what he/she? didn't know, you would be it.

I won't be wasting any of my time trying to educate a obvious basket-case that's afraid of his own shadow either, so don't ask

P.S. You wouldn't recognize truth if it slapped you in the face.
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Buellsruell
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Alrighty, then...

Guess I won't mention the ONE-OFF sticker I made for my frame that is shown in my profile pic.

(But seriously- I just made them for ME and i won't be selling any. Just thought they "looked cool", that's all...)

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Buelltroll
Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry I shouldn't have said that outloud...
Cool stickers I plan on making a big one for my truck.

(Message edited by buelltroll on July 04, 2007)
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