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Joele
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just an informal poll - the XB9SX is only my 2nd bike and the first one has a hinged gas cap - so what to do with the totally removable one?

So far, I just set it on the ground, upon a paper towel.
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Countryx
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I put it on top of the gas pump so that it is the first (well...maybe second) thing I see when I hang up those hose....the first being the total.

I've yet to take off without it.... and you certainly won't read about it here if I do.

BTW...in case you haven't come across it in other posts.... You must be very careful when fueling the CityX. A single drop of gasoline will instantly damage the airbox cover!

Supposedly with the Novus scratch removing stuff and allot of elbow grease you can restore it.
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M1combat
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have an R but it might help... I find that it hangs nicely just in front of the triple tree resting on the upper clamp and the clutch cables.
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Paulinoz
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I have an R but it might help... I find that it hangs nicely just in front of the triple tree resting on the upper clamp and the clutch cables."

That spot must have been made for it that what I do as well.
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Oconnor
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I lay my gloves on my seat and the cap upside down on my gloves. Can't forget it that way and it doesn't fall off.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't generally get off the bike when I put fuel in it...
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Buellfool
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 01:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Leave the key in the gas cap and sit it on the seat, it's really difficult to ride off when the key is still in the gas cap.
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Ingemar
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I leave the key in the cap and lay it on top of the pump.
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Wells01
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 03:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

RE. 'I don't generally get off the bike when I put fuel in it...'
I once watched a chap filling the tank of a bike whilst seated on it when suddenly it caught fire. He jumped off and proceeded to beat the flames out on his crotch and the bike went down on its side emptying petrol from its tank over the forecourt. The attendant was pretty quick with an extinguisher. I think it was lucky that the whole petrol station didn,t go up. .
I,ve always got off the bike to refill since I saw this.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I lay my gloves on my seat and the cap upside down on my gloves.
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Black_sunshine
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I leave my key in it at put it on my tea strainer.
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Chaser
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I take it off and throw it really high and catch it just as I finish filling up and put it back on

J/K
I put it on the gas pump top with the key in it.
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Trenchtractor
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wells01, that is exactly why in (some parts at least) Australia it's illegal to fill up your bike while sitting on it. The attendants just don't turn the pump on for you until you dismount. There are still guys who bitch about it, though, had to endure the rantings of one bloke who, although it is illegal, expected the attendant to turn it on anyway.

Man, the poor kid behind the counter couldn't do anything about it... This guy was shouting and carrying on. Made me almost ashamed. Glad I didn't know him.

Oh, and he refused to remove his helmet, citing car drivers don't have to remove helmets... I piped up and told him it's illegal for car drivers to were helmets, but they wear seat belts, and they have to remove them before they go to pay!!! He didn't like that.

Anyhow, now I got that out, I leave the key in it and sit it on the bowser. I refuse to leave the key unattended, so i refit the tank cap an pocket the key before i go to pay.

I'd hate to drop the cap from the seat.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a small soft vinyl key fob, and since the key stays captive in the lid, I tuck the fob under the bungee net that sits over a small tail bag. Seems to hold everything in place, so I can concentrate on making sure I pour gass over all exposed surfaces of my translucid airbox lid .
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Freyke
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do the gloves and up-side-down cap caper on the seat... I always get off the bike to re-fuel...
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T9r
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

remove gloves, place gloves forward of triple clamp. Remove gas cap with key in it and place upside down on gloves. Fuel bike while still seated.
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Gonen60
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I guess I'm a tough guy. I hold it between my teeth...LOL
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Along4theride
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK maybe I'm naive but what are the dangers of not dismounting when your filling your tank?

I didn't know there was a risk not to.
How would you catch fire?
I know it's dangerous to get back in your car while fueling then get back out and NOT ground yourself before you touch the nozzle. You might have built up static electricity when you slid in and or out of your car on your fabric seat but on a bike???

I have seen many guys do it and until this thread had never heard that is was a bad thing to do??
It must have it's dangers if it's illegal in Australia.
Can someone explain some of the specific dangers.

Thx
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Your chances of anything catastrophic happening while filling a bike with fuel are for all practical purposes nil/nada/zero. But getting off gives you a chance to stretch your legs, hit the restroom, check the visible portions of the tires for extraneous objects sticking into them, and so forth. There have been reports of cell phones setting off fuel filling fumes, but urban legend or not it's still good fuel to consider the possibility. Getting into and out of a car is only partly the static buildup, and to me at least mainly an issue of the car's suspension flexing as you get in or out and possibly causing the pump to fall out of the tank hole and onto the ground.

Guns are mostly illegal in Austrailia these days, but that doesn't mean you can't own or use one safely as long as common sense and knowledge guides your ways.

YMMV ; )
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Wells01
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think the guy i saw burst into flames must have spilt some fuel on the engine or exhaust!
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Volkswagenfreaky
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks countryfor the tip about getting gas on the airbox cover. I'll be real careful now while refueling. That would reallysuck.
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2k4xb12
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I suck on it like a pacifier...
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Fullpower
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

duhh. set it atop the tank bag. fuel bike, replace cap. from chapter one in your rocket science handbook. (you all DID pass the test, right?)
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Jpl9sx
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm in the leave the key in it and place on seat/gloves group but the pasta strainer method sounds like a good idea. I knew there had to be a purpose to that thing besides making sure your backside gets just as wet as your front when riding in the rain.
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Fullpower
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

waves goodbye.

(Message edited by fullpower on November 09, 2004)
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Jeremyh
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Simple, leave key in cap place in my lap while sitting parked next to a car, pull out my siphon and proceed to put hose in cars gas tank, then put other hose in motorcycle tank and start cranking the pump.
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Xb9er
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mikej, you shouldn't spread misinformation when it comes to health and safety.

Static buildup and release is a real and very dangerous issue at the fuel pump. Many people, lots of them women, get burned when they discharge static getting out of the seat (they start pump then put on makeup, fix hair) with pump still on. Remember, liquid gasoline does not flash like gasoline vapor, so you do not need to be near the fuel source for ignition to occur. The other common mistake that results in fires is filling a gasoline container in a truck bed with plastic liner. The flow of the fuel causes static to build up and that ignites the vapors. Also, since gasoline vapors are heavier than air, they settle in the truck bed so there's a lot in there to ignite. That is why there is a warning about grounding gas containers. The one about cellphones has been disproved, although you still see warning signs about it. Static is a real danger, cell phones, and nozzles slipping out of the tank are not so much.

If you stay seated on a bike to fill up, you have less time to react. Have you ever noticed how many cigarette butts there are around gas pumps? Even if you are the most careful person, strange things can happen. It's the stupid people out there you have to worry about.
Mike.
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Jeremyh
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i think if i were the type to forget my gas cap any were i could also assume that i should NOT be riding a bike period because i truly must be a space cadet and probably don't pay any attention to anything while on the road and won't live too long anyway.
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I said the static aspect was "partly", but okay, you win. I also thought I read in the news about someone blowing/burning up due to their cell phone ringing, could have been a false report I guess. Just tried to put the issue into words more concrete to understand, wasn't trying to spread mis-information. I don't smoke nor wear makeup so I'll defer to the more knowledgable on those subjects. But I have seen the aftermath of at least four nozzles falling out of tanks on cars at a local gas station in the last 8 months or so due to people opening and shutting doors after inserting the nozzle and walking away from it. Four large spills versus zero static electricity blowups, I'll stick with what I've seen.
The bottom line is that gas fumes are flammable and due caution should be used where they are present.
Play safe and have a nice calm day.
(Think I'll wander over to the bicycle site now where the only gas is bean induced.)

PS, when I fill a bike's gas tank I either put the cap on top of the pump, or on the cement pillar protecting the pump, or on the bike seat, or keep it in my hand, whatever seems appropriate at the time.
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Raraf
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I sniff the cap...it may kill braincells but only the weak ones.
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Ocbueller
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I always set the cap upside down on my gloves on top of the seat. Keeps my gloves in place on windy days. When using a tank bag, I flip the bag over the seat after releasing the two front clips. Then I set down gloves and cap on the overturned tankbag. Always get off the bike when fueling. One fuel soaked crotch is enough to convince you should you or the equipment malfunction.
SteveH
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Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)

Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My Dynas cap goes on top of the pump. My R1 is hinged so it stays put. My X1 I too put on top of the pump. Kinda hard to ride off from a station with a big gaping hole in your tank.
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U4euh
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe the key pop-up flapper was made to hang over the clutch cable also! Leave the key in cap and hang it. no way to lose it and dang sure can't start the bike until it has been replaced.
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Sandblast
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have never locked my gas cap. Why would you lock your gas cap? I mean, I guess somebody could tamper with your bike, or even steal some gas, but that seems unlikely. In the collective experience of everyone here, can any of you tell me a "damn I wish I would have locked my gas cap" story?
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2k4xb12
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 12:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sandblast, On an XB, locking it is what keeps it attached to your bike. If you don't mind it flying off when you hit a bump, or the smell of gas as it splashes into your lap, then you don't need to lock an XB cap.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I leave cap on gloves on seat. I worked in a gas station, & they all have impressive collections of caps left on pump.
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Xbolt12
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lay the cap on its top edge so it doesn't get dirty on the green part and carry dirt into the fuel. Simply lay it on top of the pump.
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I lay it on the cheese grater.
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Evaddave
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 02:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Since the key stays in the gas cap, I just loop the keychain over the helmet lock.

Oh, wait. That doesn't work. : )
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