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Starter
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 03:16 pm: | 
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This is with the Buell Race exhaust and K&N.
Stock ECM - small improvement high in the rev range. Revs a little quicker but a really big hole in the torque down low.
Race ECM - Same as above but not as biggeer hole in the torque. |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 03:59 pm: |
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Countryx,
Popping is after-fire due to hot exhaust igniting blown by mixture. I am not sure it is because it is too lean, but I think it relates to better scavanging at the exhaust port combined with a very short and not too well muffled exhaust. Richening the mixture to the point it does not ignite is the exhaust on deceleration may work, but my experience with a Jardine and TFI unit on my xb12r is that it simply may the popping more muted and less pronounced, but marginally so.
As for the vibration, I got that with the Jardine also, but I attribute that to the 13 pound weight loss hanging off the bottom of the engine. Is the race pipe significantly lighter than the stock pipe? If so, that may be the issue.
Black_sunshine,
Great idea on the bars-I too was thinking of trying that although I imaging the results are going to be less on the r model because of the short clip style bars.
xbolt12 |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 04:01 pm: |
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Man, I need to slow down on the typing! I really am not that bad at spelling  |
Black_sunshine
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 04:03 pm: |
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Xbolt12....The S bars are like a big tuning fork. I noticed more vibration after I put a lower bar on. More weight on my hands from the more aggressive position. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 05:28 pm: |
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Speaking of bars and vibration reduction...
I'm guessing the traction grips on the CityX are a bit of a problem because of the handguards? |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 06:05 pm: |
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Why? They just slip on like any other grip and bar combo. The guards snap off to rotate forward (no tools) and the bar end plugs pull out easily (and I don't even thing that would be necessary to replace grips). |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 06:51 pm: |
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The traction grips are doable, you just need to trim the end of the grip for the bar end plug. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 07:15 pm: |
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Is the race pipe significantly lighter than the stock pipe?
Oh yeah.
I don't know by how much, but I had the chance to see a Drummer and a Race can side by side, and the Race can is by far lighter than the Drummer. I think the Drummer is six pounds less than stock. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 09:33 pm: |
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Reep, the reason I thought it might be a problem was based on the need to remove the bar ends to install the traction grips. In order to make them work on the CityX, I guess you would have to cut the ends off the grips or cut a hole in them to accommodate the hand guard mounting point.
As far as weight of the pipes....the stock pipe weighs 16 pounds according to my rusty, "not legal for trade," K mart bathroom scale.
I can't weigh the race exhaust but the box that the race kit was shipped to the dealer was 19 pounds. If there wasn't anything else in the box other than the pipe, air filter, ECM, and some packing material, one might assume that the race exhaust weighs about the same as the stock. I would expect it to weigh less though as it is bound to have more void area...right? Perhaps something else was in the box...some additional hardware that was used?
If I go back to the stock exhaust (still a possibility) I'll get a weight on it. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 10:28 am: |
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I decided to go back to the stock set up. I'll post the race kit in the classifieds, if anyone is interested. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 10:46 am: |
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race exhaust weighs about the same as the stock.
No way.
The stock can is way heavier, you'll see.
I'll post the race kit in the classifieds
Hope it moves fast. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 10:56 am: |
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There must have been some other parts in that 19 pound box. Yes...it sure seems like the race muffler would be lighter. I'll know for sure tomorrow and will let you know.
Thanks! |
Trojan
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 02:37 pm: |
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We have just started to get the City X here in the UK and the dealers are not too sure of anything at present b y the sound of it!
The stock CityX ECM is different to the regular XB9 in that it has the extra spade type terminal similar to the XB12 ECM between the main multi pin plugs. What is this for? Does the new race kit ECM have this too?
As the City X has the bigger throttle body and injectors from the 12, shouldn't the ECM part number be new too?
The problem over here seems to be that dealers are selling the 'old' race kits to customers with the new City X and they just ain't running right |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 02:53 pm: |
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What is this for?
I heard it was there just because they didn't want to have two housings. The spade should be dead.
Does the new race kit ECM have this too?
Not sure.
shouldn't the ECM part number be new too?
It is.
The problem over here seems to be that dealers...
Not good at all! |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 03:32 pm: |
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Can anyone get that new part number for the CityX race ECM? |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 06:06 pm: |
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 Sure Bill, here ya go...
http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/accessories/productslist.asp?Menu_ID=4&ID= 2213&MITEM=75
(Thats 82007-05y for people that hate firing up the token flash enabled browser like me)
(Message edited by reepicheep on November 02, 2004) |
Countryx
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 07:08 pm: |
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I think 82007-05Y has already been superseded by 82008-5Y. The box my race ECM came in was labeled with the 007, but the ECM itself is labeled with the 008 number.
The race ECM has the spade lug between the two multi pin connectors as does the stock ECM. A wire is connected...where it goes I do not knows.  |
Opto
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 01:43 am: |
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What color is this wire? White? According to the 2004 Lightning models wiring diagrams the 9's and 12's have the same wiring harness. What do they do with the white wire on a 9, just tie it in with the loom? Anyone? |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 08:27 am: |
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This place is amazing. Just looked last night, sure enough, I had an older 9 race ECM. The thing actually ran pretty good that way, but would not respond that well to just whacking the throttle, I had to kind of gradually bring it up at just the right rate to get it to pull hard.
Slapped the stock ECM back in, and my midrange hole went away. And throttle response is far better.
Never would have known otherwise, and had never ridden the 9sx without a race kit. I was comparing it to a 2003 9 with a race kit that my dealer let me take several test rides on over the years, and my 9sx with the race ECM felt about the same way that 03 9 did.
The stock 9sx setup is much better, which I guess is what the magazines have been saying as well, as so many of the reviews of the 9sx seem to talk about how much it is improved over their previous examples.
Anyway, a big thanks to Trojan who got me thinking, and Glitch who made me decide to go out and check.
At this point, I am inclined to stay with the stock ECM, and spend the race ECM money on a drummer, then just leave the thing alone. With the K&N and cut 12 airbox, the thing runs pretty strong across the board. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 10:35 am: |
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I doubt you'll be able to leave well enough alone.
Maybe you can, until next riding season that is
If you get the Drummer and keep the stock ECM, you're perfect set up for the Techlusion. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 01:29 pm: |
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You read my mind Glitch. Get the drummer (or something like it), enjoy the bike for a while, and after some dyno time decide if I want the Techlusion or not.
This thing runs REALLY nice with the stock ECM in there. All the bottom end of my Cyclone is back... or so it feels... but with that kind of angry roar of a 45 degree aircooled pushrod twin spinning at 7500 RPM. It's a happy sound 
And as far as I am concerned, it *is* next riding season already
(Message edited by reepicheep on November 03, 2004) |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 01:37 pm: |
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it *is* next riding season
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Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 01:51 pm: |
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I wonder what a CityX race ECM would do to...say...my bike....
If mine slowed yours down (running it lean is my guess) I wonder how mine would act running a little rich.... |
Daves
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:33 pm: |
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82007-05y is the correct part number for the race ECM for the 05 9 bikes.
82008-05Y is an invalid number.
Dave |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 03:18 pm: |
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Thanks Dave!
Glitch... I thought about that, but I don't think it was making it run overly lean. Once I was past break in, the fan rarely came on for any length of time, I don't think it was running particularly hot. My fuel economy was a little lower then I expected as well, probably 42 to 45 mpg in general, which also does not suggest a lean condition.
The thing actually ran pretty well with the 03 9 race ECM. Suprising.
It's great to have the bottom end back though... It sounds louder as well. Go figure. |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 03:29 pm: |
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Makes me wonder how an '05 race ecm would work on a pre '05 ... |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 03:50 pm: |
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Who on here has a City X with the race kit put on it? What are the feelings about it? |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:53 pm: |
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Oh, and as a side note, my "droopy tach" needle problem seems to have gone away as well. Can't say for sure its due to the correct ECM, but it seems awfully coincidental. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 05:09 pm: |
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82007-05y is the correct part number for the race ECM for the 05 9 bikes.
82008-05Y is an invalid number.
Dave
Somebody might want to tell that to the guy running the label machine in East Troy.
FYI: The weight of the stock exhaust on the XB9SX was 16 pounds (subject to scale inaccuracies) and the race muffler was 14 pounds as weighed on the same scale...not as much of a difference as some (myself included) had expected.
To summarize... I had the race kit installed on my XB9SX. The sound was great but the power increase was higher in the RPM range than I am comfortable riding. For whatever reason the bike became more "vibey" at the lower RPM's where I spend most of my riding time. I replaced the race ECM with the stock ECM and was fairly happy with the results...the engine seemed to smooth out at a lower RPM and I still had the better sound. In the end I decided that I was happier with the bike in stock form and have removed all the race components. They are now listed in the classified section if anyone is interested.
(Message edited by countryx on November 03, 2004) |
Starter
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 05:40 pm: |
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Opto
I've brought this up on numerous ocassions due to the fact that my 2004 has the plug and wire. Makes me think the 03 and 04 ECM may be a little different in programming. Might get hold of an 03 and try that in the bike. BTW the number on the 04 Stock ECM is different from the 03. Anyone got the part number from the 05 stock item???
(Message edited by starter on November 03, 2004) |
Daves
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 05:53 pm: |
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Country,
I know, the number on the part itself doesn't always match the actual part number. I have no idea why they do this. It would seem to be a lot easier if the box,actual part number and the number on the part all matched.
It's some internal numbering thing. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 06:30 pm: |
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It would seem to be a lot easier if the box,actual part number and the number on the part all matched.
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Opto
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:58 am: |
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Starter,
Now I remember. Did you ever end up measuring the voltage off that "muffler actuator" tab with the ignition on? |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:47 pm: |
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not as much of a difference as some (myself included) had expected.
Unbelievable! Only two pounds?
I'm gonna have to get New12r to weigh it for me.
Not that I don't trust you.
I think the race pipe may have changed.
The one I'm reffering to is the first one Buell came out with. The one that is painted with the same paint as the frame, the one that rusts.
But, I've been wrong before, I admit it.
I'm also used to it, you see, I'm married. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 03:08 pm: |
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Interesting.
Talked to my dealer today, and they are going to swap out the race ECM for the correct one for the CityX and do the TPS reset for me. It was an honest mistake, if you look on the boxes and part descriptions for the 9 Race ECM's from 2003 and 2004, they say "for use with all XB9's". That was true when they were printed.... but times are changing...
I think I will spring for a before and after dyno as well. So I should have dynos (with air fuel readings) for a 9sx with a cut out (12) stock airbox, before and after race ECM. I have not seen that information here before, so it ought to be useful.
And now I am further intruigued... did they perhaps rework the race can to be more drummer-esque, and less peaky? It would make sense, most people buying the factory race kit want it for street use anyway. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 03:37 pm: |
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so it ought to be useful.
At the very least.
did they perhaps rework the race can to be more drummer-esque, and less peaky?
That would explain a lot of the smoothness that seems to be the way the CityX seems to be tagged with. Beats being tagged with quirky and underpowered! Would also explain the weight, I couldn't get over how much the Drummer weighed, but then again, it was born a stock muffler. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 04:11 pm: |
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CountryX, how loud was the race muffler? Could you compare it to a Drummer? Or even over stock?
Maybe I will buy your race can instead of a drummer and experiment... Hmmm. |
Countryx
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 04:20 pm: |
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Haven't heard a drummer so I can't make a comparison. Yes...the race muffler was definitely louder than stock but frankly wasn't as loud as I had expected. I believe the increase in volume was a little less than the increase I noticed when going from the stock Harley pipes to the Screaming Eagles, if that gives you any sort of reference. |
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