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Cbig
Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2015 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had my rear bearing start to go out. Where is the best place to buy for a xb12ss 2009? I see kits for 2010, but not mine. Asb doesn't seem to be the place anymore.

Also need an air cleaner, pref. Factory. 34k on odo.
Thanks,

Chuck
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you call Al?
Are you going to do the replacement or take it to a shop?

My advice is remove the wheel and drive it down to American Sport Bike and pay Al to install the bearings.
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Cbig
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will do the work myself, just need source for 2009 not 2010 bearings,
Kind of a drag, its my commuter bike.
Thanks
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, bearings can be bought at any bearing house in town.
http://www.google.com/search?q=ball+bearing+sales+ 90503&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=sug gest

You just need to get the bearing number on the side of the outer race or the shield.
Then call a bearing house for price and availability.

It's worth noting that Buell rear wheel bearing installation must be done exactly as the service manual specifies; if done wrong tears will ensue...

Did some googling and it seems that this: 6006 2RSJEM is the bearing needed for XBs except 2010.
But you should stll inspect the bearings in your wheel to verify the above.

(Message edited by teeps on October 15, 2015)
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Cbig
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, thanks.

Looks like standard puller or slider bring out, tap in after some time in the freezer?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You're supposed to press them in, not supposed to tap them in.
That having been said, I have heard of many doing just that and getting away with it.

You have to be very careful to keep it straight, and not to damage the tubular spacer inside.
The wheel is soft and easy to fubar.
But yeah, heat the wheel and freeze the bearings.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cbig, I am a big DIY guy and in almost 10 years I've had my Buell, it has been to the dealer 2 times, for recalls.

That said, when I ordered a 2010 wheel from American Sport Bike I, cheerfully, paid Al the paltry $20 he charged for installing the wheel bearings; so I knew they were done right.
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Greg_e
Posted on Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bocabearings will probably have a higher rated bearing for the same price as most dealer oriented shops.
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Teeps
Posted on Friday, October 16, 2015 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the OP is wanting to source bearings in his locality.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, October 16, 2015 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is everything you need to know about rear wheel bearings. Info comes from the Big, Bad, and Dirty Uly New Owners section, but info applies to all 2002-2009 XB's:

The rear wheel bearings are 6006-2RS, which measure- 30mm inside diameter x 55mm outside diameter x 13mm diameter.

I have heard of bearing suppliers refusing to sell bearings that will be used for motorcycle wheels. If you get any BS like that, just tell them they're for your ATV as a lot of ATV's use the same bearings. See the post here for a complete list of ATV's that use these bearings; you may be able to get them from a local ATV shop: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=142838&post=1400233#POST1400233

Post from Al Lighton, owner of XB regarding rear wheel bearings. Pay close attention to paragraph 3 regarding installing new bearings:

quote:

Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 10:30 pm:

I have spoken with folks at Buell that are quite knowledgeable on all of this, and can provide the following info.

1) The original FAG bearings (black) [comment- used on early XB's] were replaced by NTN bearings that had better seals and less hygroscopic grease. The new KBC bearings have yet again better (stiffer) seals and still better grease. They also have a better lines of communication into the bearing supplier themselves. Bottom line, the change to the bearing isn't just some cost cutting move..they ARE better.

2) The design of the wheel shoulders and internal spacer tube are such that in the worst case tolerance stackup of NEW wheels, bearings, and spacer tubes, the inner race on the bearing OPPOSITE the caliper/rotor will be seated against the inner spacer with just less than 0.5mm clearance between the rear wheel shoulder and the outer race, and just less than 0.25mm on the front wheel. All of this assumes that the bearings are installed correctly (rotor side bearing seated in wheel, spacer installed, opposite bearing installed until inner race seats against spacer tube). What this means is that IF the bearings are installed correctly, AND the spacer tube is not damaged, overtorquing the axle slightly shouldn't cause an inelastic deformation of the spacer tube. If Mongo gets a hold of it and gets brutal with the breaker bar during installation, all bets are off.

3) The bearing installation tool is designed to push on BOTH the inner and outer races in a plane. During installation of the opposite rotor side bearing, if the installation forces are applied to EITHER, but not both, of the races, you can potentially damage that bearing. If you use the old "socket on the outer race with a hammer" method, you'll probably ruin that, and possibly both bearings. You'll likely coin the bearing races, and might damage the spacer, if you seat the outer race against the wheel shoulder on that side. And regardless of the potential bearing damage, if you walk that bearing in which is easy to do with the hammer method, your interference fit of the outer race into the wheel may be compromised. Buell doesn't utilize thermal methods (i.e., hot wheel, cold bearing) for installation, they rely on process control and proper tooling.

4) When a bearing goes more than a little bad, it is possible and likely that the end of the spacer tube can be damaged. In this case, the margins afforded by the design as described in 2) above can be affected. Some bearing removal tools can also damage the ends of the spacer. So inspect that spacer tube with each bearing change.

5) Related to 4, future service manuals may provide for an inspection dimension on that spacer tube. But it isn't there now, so here are the nominals:
Rear Spacer Tube: 202.8 +/- 0.05 mm, 7.984 +/- 0.002 inch
Front Spacer Tube: 107.9 +/- 0.05mm, 4.248 +/- 0.002 inch

Hopefully this is helpful info.

Al


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Cbig
Posted on Friday, October 16, 2015 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting,
Gets pricey if dealer does this...and not to sure of their competence.
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Teeps
Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cbig, you are close enough to drive/ride to American Sport Bike.
It's worth the time & $$$ IMO to go there and know that the job will be done right.
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Cbig
Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2015 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thaks,
I pulled the wheel this morning. The spacer tube while the correct length was mare on the end near the right side spricket. I will need a new spacer tube.

The race was very contaminated in such a way you can't readily grab with a puller. Felt best option was to take to harley buell dealer for fast turn around.

No turn around. The dealer said in cases like his and they've done several, they tack weld small tabs to the remaining race in 3,4 places, use a long brass punch from the other side and it always pops right out.100 bucks to remove and install bearings.

Great, go ahead, do it. Can't, welder broke for at least a couple weeks. You can take it to a welder you know and bring here for install. I have it at a welder with directions whim I trust from past work.
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