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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DC it depends on which NRHS mod your talking about. Just a simply bigbore with no additional head work or caseboring should be handled by the stock DDFI or even better with the raceECM. Adding in headwork or going bigbore enough to need caseboring may cause issues with the stock system and I am not certain that the RaceECM is enough to handle those changes without a PCIII/Techlusion system added on. And the more mods you add the less likely the stock system would be to handle as the airflow characteristics start getting more and more out of the expected range the ECM's are programmed for. Though these changes might be covered if you changed your injectors with some that have a high enough flow rate to provide the amount of fuel the bike needs.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you let NRHS or any other reputable performance shop build your engine, they will tell you what kind of performance to expect. They built my engine and delivered more than they promised. A performance shop will not stay in business long if it misleads or fails to provide advertised performance. You will do best to let the experts tell you honestly what to expect. If you want guarantees, you'll need to send them your engine so they can do all the work and fine tuning. You can slap all the top performance parts in the world onto your valvetrain, top end, intake, and exhaust but without proper tuning you could easily end up with a big disappointment.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And a big pile of molten metal...
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I was looking for dyno's. At the time, there were none on the site."

I 'm pretty sure that the www.nrhsperformance.com site has always had a page showing a bunch of dyno charts.
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Rocketman
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ask yourself why Richard Nallin doesn't ride Aaron's LSR bike these days?

Ask yourself why Brian Nallin works for Millenium Technologies these days, and not for the company he founded in his own name?

Ask why Head Racing and Racing Head have been transposed in the NHRS name?

You'll never get a straight answer here my friends. Aaron is revered by the Buell hierarchy (here) because seemingly he's carrying their flag.

The NRHS banner is damn well brainwashed into you the minute you arrive here on the BadWeB. Even those that don't know, will tell you how great they are. The power of advertising my friends. Ever heard of Pammy and Wes Brown?



Rocket
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes Rocket I have heard of both Pammy and Wes here on Badweb and have read them give compliments to Aaron as well as vice versa. I believe that it was Richard who said he sold the business to Aaron for a familial obligation away from where Nallin was located. I also believe that Richard went BACK to Millenium in the same move. Don't read this as an attack on your post just a response to what you have stated. As for the name change it keeps a bit of the business the Richard started yet also makes it a bit more Aaron's as well. Does NRHS get alot of touting here? Sure, there are lots of Badwebbers that have had very good service and response from NRHS. Just as several of the key members here have also mentioned or suggested getting in contact with Cycle-rama, Pammy and Wes' baby.
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Sammigs
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocketman: This is a question, not an assault...

So I should question Aaron Wilson's integrity because Brian Nallin went to Millenium? Does it change the way they do business because Brian and his brother are no longer associated with NRHS?

I'm sure Pammy and Wes Brown are equals in the trade, but I only recall seeing Justin's name in previous posts. And I can only comment on Aaron and Justin because I have not dealt with Pammy or Wes Brown yet.

"Aaron is revered by the Buell hierarchy (here) because seemingly he's carrying their flag."

I would be surprised if those guys are doing more Buell performance mods than H-D.
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Roc
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lightning - all the above aside, I would use any of the above mentioned performance shops in a heartbeat.

However, I would not use plated cylinders. My original set - cast by AAC, plated by Millennium Technologies, sold by Nallin - had a cylinder that wept oil through the cylinder wall. AAC gave me a big f-off and Millennium sold me a pair at their cost. Buying the pair at cost from Millennium was a horrible and long process.
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Ocbueller
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've never spent a dime with NRHS, but wouldn't hesitate to do so when I am able. Aarons' input to this site from the early beginnings are what drew me to Buells in the first place.
SteveH
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Buelliedan
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocket,
You are an ungrateful @$$! I remember a few years ago Aaron opening up his home to you and letting you ride his bikes, eating from his table, etc..and this is how you show your gratitude? Didn't badwebbers even help you with your plane fare if I recall correctly? Friends like you I do not need!!

NRHS no longer sells Millenium cylinders. they now sell Axtell cylinders which by all accounts are much better constructed and quality control than the Milenium products.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Ask yourself why Richard Nallin doesn't ride Aaron's LSR bike these days?"
I don't bother with such unfounded gossip. If you want to know, I suggest you ask Aaron or Richard.

"Ask yourself why Brian Nallin works for Millenium Technologies these days, and not for the company he founded in his own name?"
I don't need to ask myself. I got the story directly from Brian and Aaron. Both told the exact same story. For your information, Brian had some family issues and financial issues.

"Ask why Head Racing and Racing Head have been transposed in the NHRS name?"
What are you talking about? It has always been "NRHS." "Head Racing"??? That sounds like something new. LOL! ROFLMAO

"You'll never get a straight answer here my friends. Aaron is revered by the Buell hierarchy (here) because seemingly he's carrying their flag."
A lot of people appreciate all the advice and councile they have received from Aaron long before he ever considered teaming up with Brian Nallin. A lot of people since, including quite a few land speed record holders, and drag racers, and lots of plain old hot rod Buell enthusiasts like me appreciate the performance and service that NRHS has provided us.

You on the other hand have exhibited an unfortunate and unexplainable animosity and desire to attack Aaron at every turn. You are dead wrong. Aaron of course has his quirks and faults, but you have absolutely no right to wage your petty attacks upon him here. Suggest you drop the petty vendetta. It reflects very poorly upon you.

"The NRHS banner is damn well brainwashed into you the minute you arrive here on the BadWeB. Even those that don't know, will tell you how great they are. The power of advertising my friends. Ever heard of Pammy and Wes Brown?
Yes I have. In fact I was introduced to them by fellow BadWeBrs including Aaron Wilson who has never had anything but great and wonderful things to say about Cycle-Rama and the great engine performance wizard himself, Mr. Wes Brown. The very first really scary powerful Buell I ever rode was Miss Pamela Brown's Rama-nized X1. Anyone who questions the integrity of either of those shops is barking up the wrong tree here on BadWeB.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lightning,

I love the Millenium nicasil lined cylinders on my Cyclone. They have outstanding ring seal and are holding well up under the rigors of racing, even in the heat of a Texas Summer. The nicasil lining is very durable, more slippery, and a better heat conductor than the iron surface of the stock iron sleeved cylinders. Old iron sleeved cylinders sometimes suffered a loosening of the iron sleeves. The new ones don't have that problem any more.

Roc's problem not withstanding, I'm convinced that the way to go is with a good quality set of nicasil lined aluminum alloy cylinders.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe the new nicasil plated cylinders have achieved a proper level of quality so that the problem Roc experienced is not so much of a concern any longer.

Pretty sure that Axtell and Millenium both stand behind their products.
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Squattingdog
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocket,

Man don't go there. Haven't a clue why you have a hard-on for Aaron and why bring it up here anyway. Re-read Buelliedan message above.

What a drag,
-SD:
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Roc
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lightning – The plated cylinders perform the same as the stock cylinders, as far as I could ever tell.

Brian Nallin was disappointed that I did not bring my cylinder problem to him rather than Millenium. I think he would have gone to greater lengths to get me some good cylinders. If Brian is working for Millenium now than I’m sure Millenium is better then when I was dealing with them.

Out of curiosity what Nallin Racing site are you talking about – NRHS or http://yp.bellsouth.com/sites/nallinracingheadservice/ ?



Dago – I can appreciate your desire to quantify results before spending money. Aaron could probably show you 6 dyno runs of the same bike that were all different, without doing anything to the bike except run it. Fortunately for us consumers he would then explain how he did it and caution us to others who have done it to sell their products.
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 02:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"You can't preach to the preached".

Here end'th the sermon.

Rocket
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You have some serious personal issues.

How would you like it if we started spouting off in public around where you do business implying that you are less than honorable. You are around with a man's livelyhood and that of his employees. And based upon what? Some bullshit personal agenda that you have concocted. God forbid anyone criticize you, there will be hell to pay, the consequences be damned. You obviously don't like Aaron and you are pulling me and a lot of others into your petty campaign of derision. I don't want to choose between you and Aaron, but if you force me I will.

You owe Aaron an apology, because you are not only wrong, you have no idea how wrong you are.
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't have to like the man, or you come to it, but it would never be without good reason.

That you should respect.

Best you don't carry it on if you don't like what I say.

Rocket
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Dago
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I 'm pretty sure that the www.nrhsperformance.com site has always had a page showing a bunch of dyno charts."

True, but not for the XB12. There still is nothing there for the XB12. This said, I now understand that I could have just added 5-7 hp to the other 1200 dynos. Enough said on the subject, Blake?

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Henrik
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't have to like the man

No Rocket, you don't. But maybe you should try to remember some of our phone conversation awhile back. Especially your own contribution. I'd be happy to remind you, should your own memory fail.

Henrik
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Cj_xb
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No one has to like anyone, but we all should be respectful enough to not make public things that shouldn't be !!

My friends (or not friends) can say what they want about me TO ME, but some things should not be made public !!

I know some say never say anything here to someone they wouldn't say to their face, I disagree !!

Some things you would and should say to someone's face, but it still has no place on a public forum !!

Just my 2 cents, not trying to say anyone is wrong, just what I believe for myself !!

CJ : )
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Clydeglide
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well.........I was going to sit and watch this but what the heck.

There is no reality there is only perception. Think about that....you believe what you believe what you believe. Few, if any, can change that.

Rocket expressed an opinion and because it is contrary to your perceptions he is chastised.
Frankly, I believe he said too much......but........I share that perception.

Rocket, didn't I tell you to take it easy on that "post message" button?

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Buelliedan
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have had nothing but positive experiences with NRHS and I also consider Aaron a true friend dating back to 2000 when I first met him at the Buell Homecoming. I was brand new to the Buell community and he welcomed me with respect and dignity and has helped me on more than one occasion either in person, by e-mail or on the phone. There is an awesome video floating around of Aaron and myself changing rocker box gaskets on my S3(RIP) while Court is telling one of his stories in the background during the Colorado 2001 fest.

Since that time Aaron has helped me with the rebuild of my S1 and NRHS has always provided me with great service.

There is much more to the story between Aaron and Nallin than has been written here. But that is Aarons decision to make if he decides to.
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Aaron
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank you to everyone who spoke on my behalf. More than a little bit nice to know I have so many friends.

With respect to Dago's issue, I have mixed feelings. On one hand, I respect the fact that he's the customer. The burden is on us to convince him to part with his hard earned money, not the other way around. We didn't provide enough evidence and that points to a shortcoming on our part, not his. He has every right to demand more, it's his money.

On the other hand, this is an area where I try my damndest, and I'd wager that we have more XL/Buell dyno sheets out there than just about anyone in this business, at least I'm not aware of anyone who shows as many as we do. And we're consistent in the correction standard we use, no games here. So if we don't have evidence enough for him, I'm not sure who does. But hey, if someone else can do a better job of making their case, he should go that way. I'll have to try harder. A competitive market, I wouldn't have it any other way.

With respect to my personal business dealings, I have no idea what's being implied above or why it would be anyone else's business. I'm well aware, though, that some people are determined to gossip and spread rumors, and if the small amount of it that's made it back to me is any indication, the lack of facts is no obstacle. Anyone who feels the need to know and cares about the truth should ask me. Anything else should be taken with a large lake bed of salt.
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Anything else should be taken with a large lake bed of salt."

Well said Aaron : ).
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>With respect to my personal business dealings,

I know your personal ethics; they are impeccable and unflappable.

The drivel previously posted was ill motivated, inaccurate and in poor taste.

I've been in the business of Buells for 20 years. Aaron is one of the people I know to be totally trustworthy and above reproach.

Rocket should be ashamed for having said the things he did. They were unkind and untrue.

Anyone with any questions may also call or write me.

Court
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wish I could muster up some troops. Oh wait a minute, I forgot. One has to have 'given' something for that to happen.

Let me see now. I know fcuk all about Buells, except my own of course. I don't have a Buell tuning shop. I don't have a dyno. Don't even have a ranch you can all come stay on. Well, I guess you could ride my bikes, but I don't have more than two. Maybe I could feed and water you all instead.........

Then can I be your fcuking friend?

Man do I feel like I'm drowning in a see of shite.

Yawn............


Rocket
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Rocket...Won't you be my Neighbor? : )

Its all good man, you have a difference of opinion and have your reasons for it. However if I do make it over to that side of the pond I will take you up on the invite to ride : D
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 01:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Man do I feel like I'm drowning in a see of shite."
You are. And you'll be lucky if any of us toss you a lifeline. You are being a total jerk. Take it offline or leave. Your choice.
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Pammy
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This thread was brought to my attention yesterday and I am saddened by the depths to which this discussion has plunged.
I do enjoy a good debate...it gets the blood pumping and makes life interesting. This, however has gone WAY beyond that.
I think that the reason things have taken a bad turn such as this is that more than one person here has been maligned. One is a little more PC in public than the other though and that makes him a little more palatable in this forum. I am all for politeness, however, whether in public or in private. Every person deserves that common courtesy.
I for one do not wish for Sean to be kicked off this sight. I am sure, if folks would speak up, there are quite a few more that feel the same. He brings a certain colour to this sometimes grey world and I find it refreshing. I found is just as entertaining when Rocket used to lambaste me. Evidently my world is a little off center.

This is all I have to say on THIS subject and I apologize in advance for any feelings I may have hurt at any time and on any station...Think of this as an innoculation, if you will, for my brusque and sometimes abrasive demeaner...
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