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Grancan1
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why is everyone copying the XB? Check out the new 2005 Triumph Speed Triple and the new KTM. I guess Eric Buell has set a new industry standard,,,,again.
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Kaudette
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

From a stylistic perspective I can see the Triple copying the Buell however on the KTM - no way. That bike follows the line of the Supermotard Duke...
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Tgroghan
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's all about the new STREETFIGHTER trend. All SF's have a similar look as do all sportbikes. I'm impressed with the KTM Super Duke 990 video, but alas it's not American made.
http://www.990superduke.com/
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't think they're copying Buell.
Googled
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Ingemar
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What's the difference between cafe, naked, and a streetfighter?

IMHO naked bikes are slower than there sport equivalent (if they have them, and most do), generally they are heavy (~200 kg) and try to compromise touring comfort on an otherwise sporty bike.

Cafe ... I would feel stupid explaining that but oke, one word then: Vincent. (What does it have to do with this anyway ?!?)

The streetfighter (again, MHO), doesn't compromise between a sport and a naked, it blends them. No other naked bike ever made until buell comes into the weight/power combo a buell came in (things have changed lately). I'm not sure about other naked bikes but the duc monster I had certainly can't match the buell in regards to handling. Most supersports do, however (no flames pls).

So I'd say a streetfighter is a class on its own. It's not a racer but handles like one, looks like a naked, but isn't nearly as heavy as one, and therefore faster. What was that phrase ... Different in every sense ... again.
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Trenchtractor
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's the reason Buell has tried to call the XB's their own class, the Sport Fighter...

I dunno. Except for the fact it's an inline four, the Z1000 (IMHO just to be safe) is in the same class as the XBS... Might not be as good, but look at it's design brief, sports handling, street fighter type appeareance in a factory package... More subtle than your gawdy custom S/F'ers...

So, if Buell has created a new class, fantastic. Should be more of it. Greater choice for all.
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's a great time to be a "naked" bike enthusiast! These new additions aren't necessarily blatant copies, but more of a recognition to motorcycle enthusiasts that don't want to have a repli-racer in their garage. I say bring them on and let's see how Buell responds!
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Beast
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well i rather fancy the new 1700cc torque sports yamaha mt-01 cant wait for a test drive look real nice parked next to my xb9r and the van-van
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lucky for you....no plans for a US import...yet.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yamaha does test rides?
Ingemar, nice explanation.
I remember the first time I saw a StreetFighter.
It was a CB900 in Spondon frame, years ago. I was in lust. I haven't been the same since. I'm not sure I could build a true StreetFighter, time, money, tools, skill, mostly time. I've always owned naked bikes, they used to be called standard, UJMs, now naked. Strip 'em down, change to clip ons, that sort of thing. But they never really caught on in the States, so I made parts, or ordered them from Germany mostly.
So when the XB9S came out, I bought it, ready made StreetFighter, well mostly ready made, still ordering parts from Germany, and buying clip ons.
I guess it's in my blood.
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Shorty_ii
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think Ingermar wrote an excellent comparison of all this streetfighter, naked, cafe, and whatever. For definition of "cafe" I'll defer to our friends in the UK, as they invented it perhaps 40 years ago. For their current offerings, the Triumph Thruxton is intended to invoke memories of their past.

I'll nominate another category--regular motorcycles--like my original condition 69 Triumph TR6R Tiger. When I returned to riding six years ago after an absence of 30 years, I began looking and found cruisers, sportbikes, touring bikes, dual sports, and so on. After saying no, no, no to a salesman he asked what bike did I want. I said I want a regular motorcycle, but you have none. Ok, I should have said "standard" but I found that had become a bad term in the industry.
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Midknyte
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Steep rake angle, Air cooled, minimalistic design, I dunno...

http://www.houtenfiets.nl/
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I could I would...

Been around longer than the XB.
Not for sale though : (
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