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Fbolt
Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just got my XB back from the local wrenches to have new front brakes done and remove and replace derby cover screws that were stripped.

Since I plan on going to the track Monday, I went to replace the trans fluid. I took the derby cover off and lo and behold, the come off with extra metal attached!!! Seems as if local wrench used some sort of air wrench to jack those bad boys in! I now have two screws that cannot tighten-WTF! What can I do!! I am amatuerishly using loctite on them to see how strong that will hold, but I already know the answer-it won't. I suppose I could "make some new holes" for larger screws but I don't know how or what to do.

Help a Bueller out folks. Someone give me direction and guidance.

(No, it wasn't a dealership.)
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Sammigs
Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.timesert.com/

The only problem I see is time.(no pun intended)

Consider it fixed forever if you can find these things at your local automotive store.

Good luck,
Sam
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 12:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Are you talking about the clutch inspection cover or the actual primary cover? Cause there is no reason to take the primary cover off to just change the fluid. If its the clutch cover, is there enough space to go one size larger, and just drill and tap new ones into place?
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Derby cover = clutch cover

Use next size fastener.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's really easy to do.

Blake, why the recommendation for the next size up, versus the heli-coil / timesert?

I heli-coiled mine (they were in stock locally, timeserts were not), assuming the steel insert would provide a longer term wear surface for the standard sized threads. Those things go in and out a lot...
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would think because the helicoils work better in dead stop holes rather then open ended holes. You could litterally twist the helicoil through while threading in the bolt.
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Spiderman
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well the derby cover isn't a open ended hole.
I used a Heli Coil on mine an it works fine.

It is a 1/4 20 bought the kit an extra inserts for 20$.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Spidey on an XB it is. Which is what is listed in his profile.
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Spiderman
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry bud but the hole does end.

I just ripped the derby off of a XB on the floor to be 110% sure.

If the holes wern't caped off at the end you would need a O-Ring on each screw to make sure they were completly sealed.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mine aren't capped off...I can't get a viewable pic to show you but mine go all the way through. No leaks either...
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Fbolt
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, after some panic, I was able to use some serious force and find some usable threads near the back. I also loctited all three and took it for a 30 min. test ride. I do plan on taking it to the track tomorrow. We shall see...

Hopefully it will be a long a fruitful day, not a short and shi!!y one.
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Xbolt12
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sammigs,

I think I posted a while back that this happened to me (although it may have been on another board). I was pissed that Buell would not cover it as a warranty issue since I do my own work. I always use a torque wrench BTW.

The fix is Time-Sert. Let me run into the garage and I'll get the part number for you.

Ok-here is what you need: Call Time-Sert (800)423-4070 or (775)829-1026 in Reno, Nevada. Ask them to send you part # 0140 which is a kit that contains (1) drill, (1) counterbore, (1) tap, and five 1/4-20 steel thread inserts. The will sell direct to you and ship if you use a credit card, I think the price was around $43.00 or so. If you buy though a distributor expect to pay twice that. I got mine in a couple of days on std UPS shipping. The also offer expedited shipping at additional cost.

The kit gives you enough inserts to do both the clutch access cover and the primary chain inspection cover should you ever need to. It is easy to do the repair. All you need is a good t-handle for a tap (I would suggest the small crossbar type handle-if you use a large handle you will need to remove the shifter). The drill, counter bore and tap all have square ends for the t-handle, so you can and should do all the work carefully by hand. The kit comes with instructions, but just be careful to use tapping lube, or oil and clean the hole out between operations and to start the drill as perpendicular as you can get it. I used duct tape to keep any debris out of the transmission while doing the work. I had to do both the bottom screws on mine.

Make sure you get the .380 long steel inserts #01401 included in the kit as they are a perfect fit. The tap will bottom in the hole, so be careful and you will feel it hit.

I would order the kit even if your temporary fix is working for now. It is a great product and the outer diameter of the insert is smaller than other inserts (threads are timed between inner and outer).

Let me know if you have any questions.


xbolt12
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Xbolt12
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I meant Fbolt
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Fbolt
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Great info. Your help is appreciated!
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Fbolt
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good news is the clutch cover/derby cover held. The bad news is that my gear works well. Don't ask me how I know...
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

: ( Hope you are OK! The bike can be pounded back into shape. Are you now in the market for those carbon fiber frame overlays?
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