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     Hogs |
Got a question For all,If one can buy Race tires "soft" compound that just have the Edge gummed up and the rest of the tire as close to new are these good for the street?? I know that they take longer to heat up on the street but once they are will they NOT stick better, and having all the tread as new Except for the "outer" edge as this gummed up area outer edge will wear off on the street.. As I for one will not be riding way down on that Edge on the street and you can pick up these tires up in a set for like 75.00 bucks here especially this time of year at the end of race season?? Yes and I know they won`t last as long ..but hey just have to change them more often..! What do ya all think??? Thanks | ||
| Glitch |
I know guys that are cheaper than me, they buy race take offs all the time. Ya just have to keep a better eye on them than you do street tires. They can do some strange things after get them on. They're not designed for street use, in other words they're not made to go through a bunch of heat cycles the way street tires are. They stick fine until they don't any more. Life of the tires depend on quite a bit of factors as you don't know what they've been through before you got them. Keep a good eye on them. | ||
| Hogs |
Hmmm Interesting ..Only reason I asked is a couple of guys I know that run Ducs. used em on the street and for a set for 75.00 which here wd. cost 450.00 I thought it was a BArgainnnnn Being Cheap as I am when it comes to Tires...I guess if one isn`t carving up the corners too BAd then they wd. be okay? Not sure I know what ya mean by keeping an eye on em are they going to BLOW, Pop off the rim seal or anything strange like that Glitch?? Thanks | ||
| Hogs |
Piots race compound is probally what i can buy here... | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
One problem with race tire take offs is that most genuine race tires are not at all suitable for riding in the rain. If your riding style involves riding in the wet, (I got unexpectedly caught in the rain as recently as yesterday), I wouldn't recommend them at all. I also wonder if it makes that much economic sense unless you can mount and balance the tire yourself. Around here, it cost $80-100 to have a pair of tires mounted if you bring them the wheels. A good set of performance tires, like Pirelli, Michelin, Metzler or Avon can be had for around $200 on the net if you look hard. So the real difference is $175 v. $300 . Even though I have a pair of Dunlop 208 one day take offs, I decided to buy a new set of Michelin Pilot Powers. When I considered the total "mission weight" ie: the cost of the bike and the time investing is setting it up properly and the effort of getting the wheels on and off, saving $125 and having less than the very best tires, which originally seemed like a wonderful idea, now appeared rather less attractive, to this Buelligan at least, because great tires are really necessary to show a Buell at its best. | ||
| Hogs |
Good point about the rain forgot about that.. However I try not to ride the buell much in the rain....with taxes here the pair of tires wd. cost me atleast 400. plus....... so 75.00 for a pair is alot cheaper jsut giving it abit of thought for now.. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Around here, it cost $80-100 to have a pair of tires mounted if you bring them the wheels. What?!!! Thats insane. I usually pay around $40 to have 2 tires mounted & balanced at my local indy shop. | ||
| Glitch |
The reason I say keep an eye on the is the fact that you know they've already seen a hard life, hence the cheap price. People run them all the time. I don't mainly because my bike sees all kinds of weather. Cycle Gear near my house will mount and balance for $12 each off the bike. Pro Line near me also will do it for $20 each off the bike. | ||
| Henrik |
Hogs; it may sound like a bargain, but IMHO it's not a good one. 1) street riding is not likely to get enough heat into the tire to get it into proper temp range. So while it *is* a sticky *race* tire it will likely have less traction on the street than a "real" street tire. 2) Glitch mentioned heat cycles. Race tires are designed to warm up - get ridden hard - then thrown out. All tires will loose traction after a number of heat cycles. The big difference is, that race compound tires will only withstand a few heat cycles, while street tire compound will withstand hundreds of heat cycles before starting to fade. Hope this helps - 'cause traction is a good thing to retain on a bike  Henrik | ||
| Hogs |
Henrik , okay if what you say is a given then I don```t know why guys run them But your probally right... makes sense to me But what does Hogs Know :-) I Think I`ll stick to the street versions...I didn`t know if one ran Piolts Race tires on the street and not the pilot Sport tires it would matter just thought they would stick better but would not last as long...would that be the case if you even ran them from NEW and not used? | ||
| Fullpower |
i break bead with a 6 inch C clamp, use some soapy water, and a small pair of "enduro" irons. takes about 30 minutes for each end of the bike. easy. | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
I would think with the prices that you can get on the net for quality tires that the difference in price and performance wouldn't be all that great. For instance you can pick up a pair of Diablos from Discount Motorcycle Tire for about $200. That's $125 more, but 4k to 5K miles of fun before you need to think about replacing them. | ||
| Hogs |
Discount Motorcycle Tire Hmmm maybe where you are at, here in Canada I don`t think so.. But whats there web site if ya know it? Thanks its wort a try | ||
| Lake_bueller |
It's not legal in some states (like Wisconsin) to run race tires on the road. YMMV | ||
| Henrik |
Even if run on the street from new, you'd have similar issues with race compound tires. They wouldn't get hot enough to provide the promised grip. *If* you managed to get them hot enough, the tires would fade after very few heat cycles (as compared to street compound.) My guess as to why people run them would be 1) $$ and 2) they look cool with the shredded edges. 3) people aren't aware of the differences in compound - i.e. if these tires are great on track they must be super for the street. Henrik | ||
| Hogs |
Henrik Yeah that makes sense to me once again, I`m sure you know More than I do or even think to know about tire compounds etc.Guess I`ll stick to the Street ones Too much too lose if one goes down for a few dollar savings.. Race compound on track always HOT even when in pits have tire warmers on em ...ON street only get HOT after some serious riding then I guess what you are saying they cool down and then if one goes hard into corners then they are cooled down too much less traction that street tires would have because they stay warmer more stick when not driven as hard.. or something like that right ??? Thanks Chris | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
Hogs...you have mail. | ||
| Blake |
I seriously doubt you would ever get race rubber up to temperature on the street. Race tires are a really a bad idea in the wet too. Also they won't last very long at all, especially if of the "soft" version. They are sticky though, even cold I'd bet a soft race tire is still stickier than a street tire. Bottom line, not worth it. | ||
| Hogs |
oh Okay Blake wasn```t sure Just heard about the good deals on em this weekend coming guess I`ll pass on that ideal...Thanks All Blake guess I should tell ya I just Bought a xb12cg for the wife Was kind of the reason for my post last week to find out what I could about the lows ..Sorry if I got some upset..! | ||
| Mr_cuell |
They are a very bad deal. A laughable deal. We take tires off because they are shot, or very nearly so. Tread depth is meaningless, it's all in the chemical changes brought on by the heat cycles. I would sell take offs to street riders and laugh about if it wasn't so mean, and probably dangerous. | ||
| Rocketman |
I'm on my second used track tyre on the 916 rear. My most recent an excellent Dragon Super Corsa with a nice sticky compound. It is suitable for wet conditions too. It has a tread pattern. These tyres are not race tyres, they are track tyres used mostly by track day enthusiasts and they are marked 'not for road use' or some such wording. This most recent one had a very steep profile offset to the right side of the tyre, the reason it was took off the track ride. It hasn't taken long for it to become a nice round profile once again, now I'm street riding it. I've had over a thousand miles out of it now and it's not far off junk. Maybe one or even two more rides and that's it. What a bargain at £30 and a nice tyre. Don't be put off and learn the difference between tyres before you write them off. Rocket | ||
| Hogs |
Rocket HMmmm Maybe I worded the tread wrong then And should have said TRACK tires and not RACE tires ??? Are Pilot race tires and the same other tires considered RACE or TRACK ??? So would they be okay then for the street??? | ||
| Henrik |
Hogs - pretty much From reading magazine tests and such, it seems that a high performance street tire is not *that* far from the performance/grip of a track/race tire. Enough, obviously, that if you're riding the edge it's worth laptime on track. But for still probably not worth it for sane speeds on the street. Funny, my SV came with Metzler MeZ4 tires, and everyone was griping about how they had no grip. Well, I wore mine out during a couple of track days. I'm no speed demon, for sure - quite sedate compared to friends and other trackies actually. But I had my knee on the ground, and never had those tires give. And what's the point ... todays street tires work really well  Henrik | ||
| Hogs |
Henrik and all thanks for all the info will keep buying street tires good ones of course and forget about the track/race tires...! | ||
| Slaughter |
I have a set of 208 GPA after the F-USA in Vegas this weekend. They are DOT's and therefore street-legal BUT by the end of the weekend - after about 12 heat cycles (Friday, Sat, Sun), they do not stick anymore, and still have at least half their tread left. Yeah, they are usable but they're scary SCARY if you tried to corner at any kind of speed. The last session, after starting out with tire-warmers AND after 5 laps, I still had to back waaay off because I'd be starting to get loose with just minimal throttle coming out of every turn. I would bet the rubber is about as hard or harder than maybe a D205 or D220 - and if you're "only" paying $75 a set for take-offs, you'll lose money compared to paying maybe $190 for a NEW set of D205's (which can go 7000 miles if you're NOT riding them hard) http://www.calsportbike.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?cart_id=2098675.81283&pid=95 1&count=1 - the take-offs MIGHT last you 500-1000 miles IF you're not riding them hard. If you ARE riding them hard, you'll probably crash in the first 100 miles of hard riding - unless you like flat-tracking. Do the math, it's kinda hard to justify using race take-offs. that being said - $100 (plus shipping) takes my D208GPA - medium front, hard rear. 2/3 tread left! Used on the SAME RACETRACK as Estok, Bilansky, Bemisderfer, Johnson and many others!! |
