| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
Clues are designed to lead, the direction is what remains in question.  | ||
| José_Quiñones |
And not until it is 100% READY. No product ever produced by human beings is 100% ready at launch! What will happen this summer as FZ1's, ZRX1200's and the like are in showrooms and available, will people wait for an unknown bike from Buell, that will either be introduced in July or delayed, delayed and further delayed until it is 100% ready? Will it be READY to launch once all promotions and rebates ever created fail to move the existing inventory, maybe? Will it be launched when dealers finally give these bikes the right treatment/support, and proper service? Then it will never be READY! __________________________________________________ Thor, never used officially! I still like the S4 Corsair. | ||
| Blake |
I'm sticking with the bad weather theme. | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Let me add, I'm not saying rush it out the door like the '99s. But Buell has a "window of opportunity" that closes every day/month that model is delayed. checking out NOAA's Weather Glossary the only four letter weather related term I found were: ECHO (Toyota has that one) Scud (or Fractus) - Small, ragged, low cloud fragments that are unattached to a larger cloud base and often seen with and behind cold fronts and thunderstorm gust fronts. Such clouds generally are associated with cool moist air, such as thunderstorm outflow. GUST HIGH FLOW | ||
| Doncasto |
Did they develop the "launch when ready" theory AFTER the 1999 X-1? Inquiring minds want to know. | ||
| Choptop |
Launch when ready? Huh, after riding a Mille and Mille-R at the Aprilia Track/Demo Day, I'm ready to buy one NOW. Not when some calendar says some other company is going to release their bike, maybe. And I didnt just do the standard test ride either. Got to flog both around ThunderHill Raceway ALL DAY LONG. The bar has just been raised. The clock is ticking. Oh, and WHY oh WHY would a company put out a date on release if there is ANY question WHATSOEVER about the model being "ready" by that date. Huh? Hell, even if it isnt "ready" (read shipping to dealers the next day), show us a picture, release specs, SOMEHTING. I refuse to believe that with the resources avail at HD/Buell a full production bike would have bugs TWO WEEKS BEFORE ITS INTENDED release date that would hold up production !!!! Uhh, the Aprilia Futura was at bike shows for 9 months before it hit the showroom floor. | ||
| Choptop |
Four letters? LATE? | ||
| Court |
Whoa...oh Ye of little faith. Hold it RIGHT there. I consider this to be a HUGE advancement if, in fact, it's so. In the past there has been a HUGE amount of pressure brought to bear to "launch when scheduled....and make darn sure it coincides with the HD dealer meeting so these guys making $450,000/yr don't have to buy another plane ticket". Try calling me a liar and tempt me to produce documentation.... If there is a "Launch when Ready" doctrine I'd guess it to be Erik Buell's single largest accomplishment in the last 7 years. Geniuses do not work in a vacuum and any person who believes that needs to take a toke on "Organizing Genius: The Secrets of Creative Collaboration" by Biederman & Bennis (I am always entertained that this book was a "collaboration") Buell is not Harley-Davidson, Harley-Davidson is not Buell. I say again, that is NOT a blanket indictment of the corporate culture of either, 'tis a fact. Florence Griffith-Joyner and Jim Ryun are BOTH Champions, the similarity end there. His training regime would not work for her, nor would his strategy. 1999 was a travesty. Times and things were "in flux". You folks, here in Yank-Ville, loved the S1WL. In Europe they say in barns raising nary an eyebrow. Hence, the 1999 S1WL in European countries in an attempt to clear the stock. 'Twas 1999 that I made that "every bike we've got here has had one sort of problem or another" call. I kept the spreadsheet that HD development Technician Gene Thomason did. Parts were being flown cross country to Las Vegas as fast as possible but unable to keep pace with the exhaust studs and muffler brackets. The pie has been taken from the oven with 18 minutes left on the timer. The interim events keenly describe the consequences. I hope ANONYMOUS is the President of Buell and that the greatest gift a Buell owner could want has been revealed in this forum. "Launch when ready" is akin to a bank teller saying, "doesn't matter, how much you want?". Persons who demand 100% perfection and insist on having to operate in an environment where all variables are known prior to a decision being made usually decide shortly after the window of opportunity slams shut. REAL entrepreneurs and real geniuses are those folks (described by Carly Simon in "Touched by the Sun") who are willing to bring their experience, confidence and know how to the table and go when THEY are ready without having to have the entire marching band step off in cadence. This is what separates leaders from followers. My Father was a genius. He once told me..."there are times when you are better off to make the WRONG decision in time. If you need to can correct or manage it later. Making the RIGHT decision two days after bids are received never made anyone a leader" I pray. I pray that one of my most admired friends had worked so hard, endured adversity, stood his ground, and insisted that Harley-Davidson build ANOTHER legend with his genius as it's seed. Pundits, cynics and curmudgeons go away. Genius fears none of you and unkind words only detract from what I hope is a great moment in American industry....the Buell Program. You asked. Court - Still Crazy After All These Buells....... | ||
| Choptop |
P.S. The "poster" (read graphic) on the BUELL website says info on new Buells by MID-JULY. I'll settle for VaporWare at this point. | ||
| Peter |
Court/Enon, Please feed we poor pidgeons a crumb here, when, if you might hazard a guess, do you think that "ready" may be? PPiA | ||
| Court |
I have TWO answers: One I fear: "On schedule" One I love: "When Erik F. Buell is damn good and ready" My "inside" knowledge is limited to 7 cryptic words which, based on experience, are more than enough to evoke my enthusiam and excitement. Court - any questions as to why some of the HD folks absolutely HATE me...hehehehe | ||
| José_Quiñones |
BTW, a BUELL is not a religion or a CULT OF PERSONALITY. Court seems to forget that....... _____________________________________________________________ from Motorcycle.com The new Harley Davidson 1100 water cooled is a HUGE mistake (Score: 1) by Roadman on Monday, June 25 @ 21:20:13 PDT (User Info) It is a great motor in a sport frame with a TT seat. It is the dumbest thing you ever saw. It looks like a honda in a Buell frame. It is fast and comfortable but will never sell. HUGE mistake. Re: The new Harley Davidson 1100 water cooled is a HUGE mist (Score: 1) by NickdaBrick on Monday, June 25 @ 21:56:04 PDT (User Info) You mean a guy might actually be able to buy one at list price? Re: The new Harley Davidson 1100 water cooled is a HUGE mist (Score: 1) by Roadman on Monday, June 25 @ 23:00:56 PDT (User Info) They will discount them . UGLY + STUPID they should have put the motor in a dresser where no one could see the frame and motor. A TT seat? why choose a seat like that? Where did you hear about this? (Score: 1) by Gabe on Monday, June 25 @ 23:32:22 PDT (User Info) Do you have a link? Ugly or no, pretty newsworthy, doncha think? Re: Where did you hear about this? (Score: 1) by Roadman on Tuesday, June 26 @ 09:06:08 PDT (User Info) They are all over So Cal. I took one around the block. Re: Where did you hear about this? (Score: 1) by truedog on Tuesday, June 26 @ 10:05:41 PDT (User Info) http://members.home.com/randytrue You seem to be the only person on the web who has actually seen one! Hmmmmmm...... Liar! Re: Where did you hear about this? (Score: 1) by Roadman on Tuesday, June 26 @ 15:40:54 PDT (User Info) Sir. It is the truth. Chromed watercooled motor, buell or ducati type frame, disc wheels, big handle bars, grey paint job with Harley Davidson on the tank and a TT type seat. I have seen more than one. They are production! The dealer meeting is next week. This is the bike Porsche and Harley spent millions on. It is a short dense bike. Very un Harley looking but it is definatly a Harley! Re: Where did you hear about this? (Score: 1) by truedog on Wednesday, June 27 @ 06:58:53 PDT (User Info) http://members.home.com/randytrue Yes they are due to release new models and engines from HD and Buell at the July 13th dealer meeting. There are none on the road as they are keeping the release under very tight wraps. If the bike is as you describe, I might be interested in one. Harley has delivered samples to the aftermarket manufactuers (Score: 1) by Roadman on Wednesday, June 27 @ 09:09:58 PDT (User Info) The dealers have no idea about the bike but they are at all the big aftermarket places. If Harley was not painted on the tank, I would not have known what they were. It truly looks like some Japanese wannabe. Harly should have made this a Dresser first and covered all the strangeness. Also in this day of big CC's, an 1100 does not have an exciting ring to it. It does produce power. It will be a LONG time untill it appears in a Buell. Eric feels that he can meet emissions just fine with what he has. Re: Harley has delivered samples to the aftermarket manufact (Score: 1) by truedog on Wednesday, June 27 @ 11:47:21 PDT (User Info) http://members.home.com/randytrue I have a real hard time believing this. Harley does not send their bikes to the aftermarket places first. It is definitely not a production model yet. Also if it were all over like you say, let's see the pictures! | ||
| Peter |
Court, OK. I'll play.... My "inside" knowledge is limited to 7 cryptic words which, based on experience, are more than enough to evoke my enthusiam and excitement. ....and they were.....? PPiA | ||
| Court |
Peter: To say WOULD violate a confidence and without the context (message prior and immediately after) would risk being bigtime misconstruation. I'm going to (perhaps) do a late night fireside story telling session in CO. If the time if right, I'll talk then, if not I'll tell you over dinner at Bonneville. (you buy, of course ). Court | ||
| Peter |
Court, Deal, although I hope it's worth steak and not just MacDonalds PPiA |
