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R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 08:42 pm: | 
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Covered Demming in my classes a couple months ago. |
Signguyxb12
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 08:47 pm: |
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And a class that demming and not HD.
Not good!!! |
Evaddave
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 08:48 pm: |
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Court: Buell was the FIRST manufacturer of Motorcycles (I think cars as well) to receive ISO9000 Certification. (I stand ready to eat my words, but believe this to be true).
It sure looks like they beat Chrysler to the punch. Check out the panel gaps on the Viper... |
Whosyodaddy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 09:03 pm: |
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Although Honda is still good, people have this misconception that Honda has a superior quality about them, even their cars.
This past Friday, I got a recall notice on my '04 Honda Pilot SUV (transmission overheating). A little later that same day, I find out that that a recall has just been announced for my '04 600RR (rear brake coupling needs replacing).
I've always had a very high regard for Honda quality and always considered Honda the quality "benchmark" - especially with regards to their bikes. However, two recalls in one day on two separate Honda products is definitely a reality check for me.
By the same token, both my 12R and Harley Dyna were rock solid - I can't think of a single mechanical issue (including leaks) that I had with either.
My $.02
WYD |
984_cc
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 12:19 am: |
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Okay...this is just for Blake- I am sorry if I have offended you. It's just that when I bought my XB, there were these little things I noticed that kind of ticked me off. Some of it could be attributed to my overly incessant nitpicking. It was things like- various slightly stripped allen and torx bolts, electrical tape coming off of the looms, debris in the clearcoat on the wheels, scratches on my body panels and the high/low beam lights reversed. There was one torx bolt that was completely stripped out, and I spent a good part of a day trying to extract it. I'm over it now. There was nothing on my ZR to gripe about when I bought it 4 years ago. It's mostly because I paid a lot more for the XB that gets to me. But I still think they are great bikes. I love mine and I want to keep it around. I do know that Buell takes pride and wants to make high quality bikes, which they do. I just think it can be improved. Maybe the ‘05s are better. I don’t know. I did say I am a perfectionist. I don’t want anyone to think I am just ragging on Buell. I was just saying what was on my mind for conversation, since that is where the thread went. Okay, so I may have exaggerated a bit as to being "twice as good" (I, myself was a little riled at some of the comments made about Japanese bikes). But my ZR does have a noticeable advantage, especially considering that I paid $5000.00 OTD for it. The ZR even has nice little touches for the price, like hazard lights, adjustable clutch lever including the front brake lever, accessory outlet terminals for plugging gear into ( heated cold weather riding suit for example), factory bosses on the frame to accept Givi hardware (though this does not make it better in any way), fully stainless steel exhaust system including muffler, beautifully applied Candy Lightning Blue paint (cool name for the paint , very nice rearview mirrors and excellent switch gear... switchgear much better than the XB. There just wasn’t anything to gripe about on it. The finish, bolts and wiring were all excellent. I also realize that the dealer can contribute to damage too, which might be part of what my XB had. But, I will say that my Buell is a much funner machine to ride and has those trick features that no other bike has. Sorry, if I offended you, don’t take it personally. I am still a Buell fan, and will continue to recommend them to my friends and family...Now I’m done with this thread. |
Vr1203
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 01:38 am: |
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QUOTE.....
Court: Buell was the FIRST manufacturer of Motorcycles (I think cars as well) to receive ISO9000 Certification. (I stand ready to eat my words, but believe this to be true).
It sure looks like they beat Chrysler to the punch. Check out the panel gaps on the Viper...
ISO9000 certs, standards are set up to make sure your parts suppliers and you are on the same page.You ask a manufacturer in Timbuctoo or across the street to make your part ,you know that he is using the same measuring processes and procedures that you use. I just thought I'd clear that up.
984_CC, My experience with imports,
If your Dads H2 was like mine it had MIG weld rods stuck in its welds!!!
1996 Vmax cracked cylinder head ,engine rebuilt under warranty
2001 BMW broke down in work parking lot, junk wiring.
1993 CBR900RR (voted best bike of the year by the "bike mags" )bad shifting |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 04:58 am: |
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Malcom:
I'd very much appreciate details and any documentation (phots, narrtive or just your written "reccollection) of the deficencies you found on your new Buell XB.
There is no need to post it here, just e-mail it to me. There are folks who's job it is to know and constantly improve these things.
Note, I am not asking you to "convince" me it is true. I assume, absent any reason not to, that everyone who tells me anything here is telling the truth and relating what THEY saw. My motivation is just to make certain people who turn the dials have info from all sources.
Thanks,
Court |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 08:41 am: |
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I had a Honda Civic CRX Si, fantastic little car and a hoot to drive, one of the golden children of the Honda family and press in general.
Sold it and got a Saturn SC2. At now close to 130k miles, the Saturn has soundly thumped the CRX in every measurable catagory. Reliability, cost of ownership, durability, performance, comfort, practicality, etc. Both were excellent cars, but there is nothing magic about Honda.
Don't get me wrong though, there are some really crappy cars out there as well, some of which I have owned (*cough* windstar *cough).
I have spent some time on a ZR-7. Its a great bike, very comparable to my Cyclone in most regards. The Cyclone handles a little better, accelerates a little better down low, about the same top end. The ZR is far more reliable then my Cyclone, but much less interesting. It has a ton of excellent features (as listed above), including even a gas gauge.
If reliability and practicality were my top concern for my motorcycle, I would have owned one (at least until the XB's came out).
Put your ZR-7 and your XB (or my Cyclone) in a parking lot side by side and just hang out for a while. Listen to what people ask about them, the kind of people each attracts, and the kind of conversations you have about them.
The ZR7 is a great practical bike. The XB is an exotic, that (hallaleiujah!!!) is reliable, practical, and affordable. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 08:57 am: |
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ok im not to sure on the motorcycle side but on the car side (had a 91 crx) the car was good untill one thing went out then every thing started going out. |
984_cc
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 01:15 pm: |
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Court, I sent you an email. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 01:51 pm: |
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ISO9000 (for those that might be curious, I've assisted in the certification efforts of 5 companies -- all got their certification on the first try -- I'm not an expert, but I am experienced {apologies to Jimi})
ISO9000 (and 01, 02 etc) only requires that you have repeatable processes, measure them, and plan on improving them.
as others posted here, following the plan is not required, nor is it often checked.
ISO standard allow you to turn out crap, but said crap will be repeatable down to the bug in the gas tank glass, if that's your standard
there are some in the ISO industry that will freely state (after checcking you for a wire) that the ISO standards were first implemented as a trade barrier to US firms doin business in Fortress Europa -- not having been there at the birthing, I can't comment on anything other the the trustworthiness of these folks utterances
always loved the irony of Demming's work coming back to the US via Japanese manufacturer's . .. . sorta like my learning about the blues by listening to the (way early) stone and yardbirds . . . . .
there was a stretch of time when all the winners of the Baldridge Award went belly up with a couple of years of winning it -- slavish execution of a plan regardless of cost/benefit has been to undoing of many firms . . . . I like the Risk Based approach, myself, as it leads to affordable products of a level of quality enough people will find acceptable to keep the works afloat
Zen and Quality is great book -- if for no other reason, to see the odd trails the human mind will follow, if given it's head |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 06:29 am: |
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>>>>Court, I sent you an email.
Thank you.
Very helpful.
I appreciate the time you invested.
Court |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 09:13 am: |
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>>but I am experienced<<
Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful...
rt |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 09:30 am: |
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Thang
I should have expected you to pop up on that remark ;-}
musta been sleepin
these days, I'm not sure either adjective applies |
Signguy
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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Other than the rear wheel wells that I just bondo'd...I've had nothing but good luck with my 88 CRX Si. 210,000+ miles and still running well. Doesn't burn or leak anything. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 03:18 am: |
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well my for my crx the first thing to go was the water pump which sreded the timing belt cuz it sezed up which then it bent some valves and once i fixed all that mess it was one thing after another nothing but problems. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 07:02 am: |
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1994 Ford Ranger 2.3 liter engine truck. Problems so far. Bad Alt.
That's it. Truck has 140,000 miles on it and still runs with 0 problems. All I've done to it is change the oil.
Friend has (I've known him since middle school) a 1990 F150 5.0 liter truck extended bed and cab with 200,000 miles on it. Doesn't burn a drop. Problems so far, water pump froze which snaped the fan off and took out the radiator and belt, replaced those. Also, (his dads fault for this one) towing a full load up to Georgia in overdrive. Had a troop trailor that is 2000+ lbs and the bed loaded with gear. Needless to say the trans. overdrive gear was shot by the time they got to Georgia, but it got them home (not without starting to jump out of gear from 3rd to 2nd.
Replaced trans. and it's been running with the new trans since 40,000 miles.
Those 2 FORD's are what I call quality. They always get me and my friend home and have been very reliable throughout the years. |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 04:18 pm: |
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1990 Ford Ranger 4x4 with 145,000 miles.
Tranny finally bit the dust at 123,000. Burns no oil, & runs great...is a bit of a dog tho.
Only things I have fixed are the tranny & had to replace the valve cover gaskets. |
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