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Roysbuell
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trying to get the rear wheel off for a tire change. What tool do I need? Can I buy one at a regular motorcycle shop? I measured with a caliper it seems to be 22mm.
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Terrys1980
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

22mm or 7/8" and can be found at most motorcycle shops. Or you can make one with the right size bolt, a couple nuts and a washer.

http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-prodshow/9153.html

(Message edited by TerryS1980 on November 18, 2011)
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Roysbuell
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Uhh... Is it in that little blue bag under the seat? Duh!!! Thanks buddy!!!
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Terrys1980
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes that would be it!
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Prior
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A 13/16" spark plug socket hex end is also 7/8". Pull the rubber center out of the socket, stick an extension through the socket to the drive end and you can use that to remove the axles as well. I prefer to do this over using the tool that came on the bike.
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Roysbuell
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another bonehead move. Bike is on pitbull stands and I didn't loosen the rear axle pinch fastener. Ugh!
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been there, done that. I've also forgotten to put the pinch bolt back in before taking off too : )
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think EVERY ONE OF US has forgotten the pinch bolt! That is why in another thread some time ago when a guy was having problems removing the axle, a COUPLE of us asked about that pinch bolt.

Ask ME about my many "well, DUUUHHhhh moments!"
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Debueller
Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you really want to force yourself to remember the pinch bolt, remove it (don't just loosen it) and put it somewhere where the sun don't shine. Your guarnteed to not to forget about it.


Or maybe somewhere else you might notice it if you forget about it......
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Mtnmason
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the 7/8 allen wrench is an expensive tool (about $25 for something you'll prob only have one use for) but definitely worth it IMHO. I suppose youve already done it since your post on friday, but sometimes those axle bolts will sieze up in there if no grease was used when it was put in. The 7/8 allen wrench and a breaker bar will get the job done every time. Myself, as well as some other badwebers arent crazy about the axle tool that comes in the kit. Too much play for my liking
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Roysbuell
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea, I got it off ok but I also noticed there was some play in the tool. It didn't take much torque to loosen or I would have stopped and found an other tool.
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Johnny7051
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have never had any problems because I am all that is cool!!!

Just kidding, I am glad I noticed the axle bolt on my 1125r is reversed, I am sure the owner of my local harley dealership would have been happy to have me buy a new swingarm!!!
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Roysbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More questions... Reinstalling the rims. Do I grease the axle? What kind? Thread lock? What about caliper bolts, thread locker? Axle pinch bolts, thread locker?
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Terrys1980
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No grease or thread lock on the axle.

Loctite 272 on the caliper bolts only.


Edited to correct misinformation:

Very important to apply a light coating of anti-sieze compound to axle to prevent oxidation from binding it to bearing inner races or to swing arm at tapered section on right side.

(Message edited by Blake on November 24, 2011)
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Roysbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Terry. Pinch bolts go in dry also? Not even blue thread locker?
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Johnny7051
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would recommend anti-seize on the axles where they meet the bearings. I have seen the bearings get seized on the bearings and it starts to spread the swingarm.
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Roysbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The axle does have what feels like anti seize compound on the axles where the bearings sit.
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Terrys1980
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It can't hurt. This is my theory on it. The bolt already has tension on it from the pinch action that acts as if it had a lock washer in place. If you understand what I am getting at.

The caliper on the other hand is two flat surfaces bolted together and it sees alot of stress when the brakes are applied so yes you would use Loctite is that situation.

If you want you could lightly grease the threads on the axle to prevent it from freezing up.

Everyone has different opinions on things like that.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The axle does have what feels like anti seize compound on the axles where the bearings sit.




I said that, then couldn't get my axle off a few months later. Put some fresh stuff on it : )

A Buell engineer said not to put anti seize on the threads, but after dealing with that stuck axle, I'm not sure what to think.

Terry, you didn't need to delete your post, I was just joking around about how we seem to post the same thing at the same time, and this wasn't the first time it has happened!
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Terrys1980
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's no problem and yea it happens quite often. I felt bad because I stole it from one of your other posts! Ha
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Roysbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea, I get the reasoning. Thanks Terry your a big help. If we ever meet I owe you lunch...lol.
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Roysbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I owe Froggy lunch too!
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anti-seize on axle is vital to prevent oxidation or just dry stiction at tapered section from binding axle to swingarm. Seems like the threads might benefit likewise. But then torque spec would be affected, reduced by as much as 25% if it is originally specified for dry (no lubericant) connection.
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Akbuell
Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From my '08 XB service manual:

1. Apply anti-seize to hole in right side of swingarm where rear axle slides through.

2. Coat the axle with anti-seize lubricant, see Fig 2-22. The figure shows two arrows, one at the midpoint of the socket end, the other at the midpoint of the threaded end.

Hope this helps, Dave
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Akbuell
Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reading further:

After drive belt, ect. are installed ....

Tighten axle to 23-27 ft/lbs. Back off 2 full turns, retighten to 48-52 ft/lbs.

Tighten pinch fastener (bolt) to 40-45 ft/lbs.
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