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Cpatt
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok guys so here it goes i bought the bike about a month ago. about 2 weeks after i bought it i was riding and it stopped. so i brought it to a buell service place where they took a look at it say i seized my cam bushings. and did some other damage( crankcase flywheel)... so they say that its going to be around 3500$ to fix it.. witch is way to much for me. the bike has 26k on it. so i took it home. they didnt put any screws in my top fairing so that flew off on a road some where... im pretty pissed about that.. i went back and couldnt find it.

but in any case heres what i need help with. i need to find the parts to fix it. all the parts are for an 04 firebolt xb12r
what i need are
crankcase
flywheel assembly
all 4 cams and cam bearings
piston rings
pinion bearings

so i need to re build the lower end basicly... so if any one has and engine they would like to get rid of... or a wrecked bike...

and what year engines were the same for the firebolt. so if i find say parts for an 05 or a whole engine i can do a swap.

any help tips i mean anything would be helpful right about now.

thanks
corey
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ouch!

If you are going to do the engine swap route, get once as close to your year as possible, while a 2010 engine will fit in the frame, they made changes to the motor and electrics over the years and the newer the motor the more you will have to replace or work around to make it work.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

04-05 engines from the firebolts and lightnings are the same and a 06 is also a possible option i think ,only these have a bigger shifting shaft.(but that can be changed)

maybe you can call these guy's for parts or a complete motor
http://www.buellsterparts.com/product.sc?productId =5&categoryId=9
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Cpatt
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks guys i started tearing in to it today. just trying to get the motor dropped. kind of a pain but i hope it will be worth it.

thanks for the tip froggy

b_i_b thanks for the link i sent them an email. it looks like they have my air filter cover fairing that flew off to. great sight!
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Double check the prices on things before you buy from Buellster, they love to sell parts taken off wrecked bikes at higher than brand new retail prices. They also love to sell used one time use parts too.
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Cpatt
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thats good to know. ill make sure to do some lookin before i pull the trigger. ill probily only get a motor from them and that one fairing. so far that is the only place that might have a motor for me.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea there is slim pickings right now, usually there are a few on ebay, but perhaps due to there are not as many bikes getting totaled these days.
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Cpatt
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i just pulled the oil plug and there was so much metal on there i dont think i evin want to attempt to just rebuilt the bottom end. so i really do need to find a motor. i have some hope that these guys have one. if not im going to a salvage yard later see if they can get me some parts
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Rsh
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A quick search on ebay shows 2 2008 XB12 engines, 1 is $1750, the other is $1299.
A few Blast and XB9 engines are listed as well.
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Greg_e
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On your dead motor, check things like the primary cover to see if the clutch lips are still good, primary drive gears and chain. clutch pack, gears out of the transmission, etc could probably be sold to offset the costs of the replacement motor. But don't sell them until you have the other motor running and tested!
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

A quick search on ebay shows 2 2008 XB12 engines, 1 is $1750, the other is $1299.




Problem is the 08 motor will require a new wiring harness, ECM, and throttle cables at a minimum. At least with an 07 motor it has the same fuel injection system, so it would be more plug and play.
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 02:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's an example of the approximate replacement cost for a used engine.
Gives him a data point to work from...that is all.
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Cpatt
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The engine is on the ground now. That was a pain. Still looking for a motor if any on has one or saw one.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make sure that all the oil lines and swingarm are clean from all the metal crap.
before you put everything back!
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Cpatt
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so i just need to be sure an 06 engine will work in my bike? because if it can i found one and am going to get it.
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Cpatt
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh and will the chin fairing and air over fit on my 04 if its from an 06?
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep the 06 will work, I believe the connections for the oil lines is different, so you may need to replace them, but other than that it should drop right in. The 06 also has the newer smoother transmission, and a better oiling system.

Chinspoiler and air filter is the same on all years and models XB.
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Cpatt
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thats great im gonna pick these parts up then thanks froggy!
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Cpatt
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hey one more question. is the fuel pump the same on the 06 as the 04? mine was wicked winey and the HD guy said that it shouldnt be like that.
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

03-07 all use the same pump, but they did revise somewhere along the line. My 06 had an issue with the pump wires (common issue on 06), dealer replaced the pump back in 2009 and the new pump is damn near silent.

Loud is normal on the older pumps.
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Greg_e
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Might be worth getting a new pump just to reduce noise.
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Cpatt
Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so if the oil lines are different i should grab the oil lines off the 06 right?
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Rsh
Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 06 and up received the high performance oil pump drive gear from the factory. It doesn't wear out like the early drive gear.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

only the fittings on the swingarm side are different between 04 and 06
they are the same on the engine side.
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Cpatt
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

whats the difference? am i going to need some sort of reducer or are they bigger?
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Cpatt
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

smaller* or is it just the location of them?
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you use your swingarm/oil lines with a 06 engine ,the only thing you have to do is turn the elbow that goes into the cam cover from pointing up to pointing down.


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Cpatt
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh thats easy then. that made me a little less stressed about this new engine. witch should be getting shipped pretty soon.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The reason for the new oil lines in '06 is because they changed the swingarm. The engine should be the same, so your old oil lines should bolt right up.
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Cpatt
Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2011 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok new engines in... just went to go for the first ride and the belt snapped. got about 50' in my yard.

oh and it looks like i cross threaded the 90 that goes in to the top of the oil pump.(i feel like an idiot) whats the best way to go about swapping that out? i have one off the old motor but i had to take the oil pump off to get it off... is that the only way?
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