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Stealthxb
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 01:39 am: | 
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purists not posers
instant classic!!! |
Barkandbite
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 02:12 am: |
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"Purists not poseurs" -- me likee!
I'm going to have some stickers made up
for my frame that say just that...perhaps
with a cool pirate skull and crossbones...
BTW, yes, that's really how you spell the word...it's not 'posers'
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Ingemar
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 03:34 am: |
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Geez guys! I'm flattered 
Daves, I am under the impression it is getting worse down here. And when I had my Harley it wasn't much better btw. I couldn't help it that bike was vibrating so friggin' hard parts would literally break off. After my 4th or 5th visit back at the dealer I already knew these boneheaded individuals weren't after service and customer satisfaction. And this experience is not from a single dealer. I went to four different ones and its the same there too. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 08:58 am: |
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Ingemar; sorry about your trouble with the dealers , but stick around. As Court says: "I came for the bikes, stayed for the people."
DaveS: Great post - You Rock! They should give you your own 5 minute spot at the dealer show. Give them all a good talking to.
Henrik |
Daves
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 09:31 am: |
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God I wish they would.
I've offered several times to make a 30 minute or presentation for them but so far?????
Last Jan at the winter meeting in Orlando, the ONLY Buell related class/seminar they had was run by some blowhard that didn't know anything about bikes in general or Buells in particular. He was a "Brand" expert. The name of the class was "Growing the family" and was supposed to be about how your Buell business can bring in a different type and age of customer to your dealership.
In reality it was an hour of this jerkwad bragging about his accomplishments and how he lived on an island somewhere? What it had to do with Buell or "Growing the family" was beyond me.
5 minutes into the class after he bragged about how Buell had flown him from his island to East Troy to learn about the company, the people and so on it became clear I was not going to learn anything but worse yet, neither was anyone else.
I was really tempted to go to the front(easy striking distance since I was in the front row, it was supposed to be a Buell class after all!) knock this windbag to the floor, kick him under a table and take over the class.
I am far from the most knowledgeable/smartest/best speaker or anything else, BUT I could've given more info on Buells and what is needed to market and sell them in 1 minute than this guy did for an hour. That is an hour of my life that I will never get back and he totally wasted it.
Yes, I did go off a little to some "high ups" at Buell and HDU about it. I doubt if that guy will ever work for them again. If he does, then they(people at HDU) truly do not "get it".
They need to get some Buell fanatics to do the presentations, give real world examples of what has worked and what hasn't.
The Buell classes should be required for all Buell dealers and their staff at the dealer meeting.
Can you imagine the impact it could have if they would hire(hell I'd do it for free)Court,Bubba,Blake,Me, or a host of others that would be more qualified than what they currently get,to do a Buell seminar. Hell even Dyna could put on a good presentation as long as no one brought up his bike.
Damn this soapbox is making me dizzy.
Dave
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Blackbelt
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 10:37 am: |
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Well Dyna could go up, but you would have to be on the side with a "beep" button everytime he used a cuss word.. hehehehe...
Dave, I am Glad that there are people like you and Escpecially for us Michigan Folk (that can't drive all the way to DAVE) SPIDY! It is the Buell thinking HD guys that make my Buell expirence a GREAT one. It is people like you guys that make the riding/owning expirence of my Buell TOP NOTCH!
THUMBS UP TO ALL PO-BUELL DEALERS/SERIVICE DEPTS. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 10:45 am: |
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>>>As Court says: "I came for the bikes, stayed for the people."
I said that?...COOL!
Dave: I am with you. Nothing, make that NOTHING sells like genuine enthusiasm.
edited by court on July 09, 2004 |
Glitch
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 10:58 am: |
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well no feces you dumb backside
It really pees me off
jerkwad
Golly Gee Dave, you kiss your Mama with that mouth?
Ya know, it's a shame that it's come to this. Ingemar was (is) a true Bueller.
Ingemar, don't go just because they let you down. Stay because we won't.
I wish there was something we could do.
There should be something someone could do.
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Bomber
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 10:58 am: |
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Daves -- nuthin will change until the mothership gets it -- they don't yet, but they likely will with your help, and, as you say, the bike buying world makes it's changes known
one of the worst things to happen to a company is success . . . it makes it so difficult to change, when that becomes necessary |
Outrider
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 03:03 pm: |
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one of the worst things to happen to a company is success . . . it makes it so difficult to change, when that becomes necessary
Remember the saying "Hindsight is 20-20." Well, it is worthless if you don't reflect back on the realism of how you got where you are in relationship to your goals.
May not apply to BMC, but might to HDI. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 04:08 pm: |
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>>>May not apply to BMC, but might to HDI.
It might apply to HD and it MIHGT not. I do my fair share of keeping these kids on their toes. Do not, however, loose sight that there are some pretty keen minds clinking, clanking and "potato-potato-ing" at 3700 Juneau in MKE.
The is an element of disdain in all of us for success. Don't be "blinded by the right".
Court |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 04:25 pm: |
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Hell even Dyna could put on a good presentation as long as no one brought up his bike.
Id go along with that. I sure as hell know a lot more about Buells than 95% of the clowns in the dealerships selling them. I think I also have a pretty good idea of what it would take to peruade people to buy one. And its certainly nothing to do with lifestyles or posing image or chrome heel guards.
One of their big pitfalls right now is the modern era & the computer. Years ago if your bike had problems & the dealer screwed you, its quite likely that you would never hear of someone else having a similar problem & just chalk it up to bad luck. But now days when someone has a problem such as Ingemar, Odie, etc etc, the word gets out immediately & even if the mothership wont admit it, it has to hurt them a lot.
I have said it before & I will say it again. HD?Buell should do whatever it takes to satisfy the customer & not leave it up to the jerks at the dealership level to screw the customers. It takes very little effort to keep a present customer & have them buy more & more bikes from you. But good luck getting someone who has been burned to ever return, plus they will tell everyone they know to avoid you also.
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Daves
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 04:34 pm: |
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I wasn't kidding about you being able to give an excellent presentation. Although I'm sure hell will be frozen a 1000 years before that would ever happen.
You know a lot about the Buells and as important, you know a lot about other bikes as well.
Dave |
420at145mph
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 02:35 am: |
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as weird as it is ive only had ONE harely person say my bike is ugly
n she was a nasty ugly property b*tch
but EVERY biker/harley rider come across they got a ton of questions n nothing but praise for my buell
(just wish the local yokel harley shop felt the same way)
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Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 02:22 pm: |
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Just came back from a restride on a 2001 R1. Last week I did a 1999 gsx-r750. Man, I can't believe how good these bikes ride. Revelation of the first kind.
No, I don't care about topspeed and squid-like practices. I haven't been above 8000rpm and stayed below 100mph and the front wheel was planted all the time. I've got a wife and 2 kids at home that I love too much to leave behind.
But the ease with which it flips through the curves. Effordless. In fact, I found I was 'undercooking' the curves. I mean, part of the road I took with the R1 I did with the xb as well. So a particular part is this 'S' shaped curve and I took note of the speed on the buell. I did the same on the R1 and thought oke, lets see. I prepared, lowered and shifted my weight and took note of my speed which was slightly higher than on the buell. I completely 'undercooked' it, even though I entered and accellerated faster than on the xb. This bike just made fun of me. You see, with the xb I feel I need more time to flip the bike from left to right through the 'S' turn, with the R1 it was like the bike did all the work. Not like it took control or anything, I was still on control. Hard to put it in words, but it's just so effordless, no need to work for it. That's why I was 'undercooking'. I am so used to working for it on the xb. There is no need for that on these jappies really.
So is the buell a piece of crap after this? Not at all! I'll never talk bad about it. I still love this bike. But for what I REALLY enjoy in riding, the xb simply falls short of what the jappies have to offer me. And I haven't even told you about the brakes and suspension yet ...
It's my opinion after riding these bikes back to back against the xb, you can't really compare them to each other. They are a totally different class build for a completely different purpose.
Ingemar. |
Hogs
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 02:30 pm: |
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Ingemar
MAybe its just me PAL ...BUt I seem to think in MY mind if your NOT putting down the XB series then what THE heck was that all about ...ReALLY lets get REAL...!AND I`m SURE others would have to Agree with me here.....FOR what its worth.! |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 02:40 pm: |
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>>>>They are a totally different class build for a completely different purpose.
I'd go along with that. Like a Chrysler 300, the foreign bikes are well thought out and built. Like a Chrysler 300, if I won one in a contest, I'd sell it and buy what I want.
They are different. I crave "Different in Every Sense". |
Hogs
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 02:40 pm: |
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IT really seems like a post that WOULD be in its place on some JAP FORUM ...Praise Be to the JAPPIES.. CRAp on the XB`s BUEll junk want a be..
I hope this place don`t turn into Down on the BUElls , OR PRAISE the jap Stuff.. |
Hogs
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 02:44 pm: |
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I`m going for a Rideeeeeeeeeeee..need to get some XB wind in my FACE.. |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 03:13 pm: |
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Hogs,
I don't even know why I should respond to you. As if I could change your mind. Geez, in MY mind you've shown yourself as one of the most unsubtle, single minded persons around ...
Dude, it's my opinion after riding these bikes. I shared it with all of you, not with you in particular. I don't care that you don't like to hear it. Although you shouldn't have a problem with an opinion being shared, you seem to have. Looks to me you're in the wrong place bubba. That's what a forum is all about.
So Hogs, tell me. One brand is the best and the rest is crap? BMW is crap too? Brit bikes are junk? Yeah right ... or maybe it's only the jap bikes that are crap.
DIFFERENT BIKES FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES. Can I be more clear than that?
Maybe I can make it even more clear to you:
I bought the wrong bike! That's right. You're happy now? Not that it's a bad bike, it's not what I want anymore. Can we agree to disagree on our choice of bikes? Thank you for respecting my CHOICE and OPINION. |
Austinrider
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 03:43 pm: |
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Ingemar -
Glad you enjoyed the R1 and Gixxer 750.
Im curious about your effor to get through that turn.
Was you XB setup to your weight?
I found my XB to be very, very sensitive to suspension dial-in.
Once I had the bike dialed in to closer to my wieght, it required much less effor, and I actually found myself turning in to soon as opposed to before.
Thats just my experience though.
I wish you good luck and safe rides - no matter what you choose to carve the twisties with. |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 04:13 pm: |
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Suspension is not optimally tuned. I set it to factory defaults and tweaked from there. I'm far from an expert myself but I tried to read and learn all I could about it. The best help I got was from a document from Marcus McBain which helped me a great deal in tuning the suspension.
Yesterday I got a phonecall from a guy who came across my advertisement and kindly offered me his help in tweaking the suspension settings. This man is an instructor at track days, gives advanced riding courses and is racing a buell xb himself. He called me because he hates to see people dump the buell because they are dissapointed in how they handle. He believes that most of that is because the suspension isn't properly setup. I will meet him next week.
One more reason for the hard work getting through the twisties is also the rear tire. It's a bit square because I did a 2-up ride of about 800 miles of highway. Before I make a final decision I will throw a set of Pirelli's on the buell. Along with the optimal suspension settings next week this should give me the definite 'go' or 'no-go' sign. |
Pushrodpete
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 08:24 pm: |
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Ingemar -
I couldn't agree more with your "different bikes for different purposes" sentiment. Can't understand single-brand/single-genre bikers any more than I'd understand someone who only ate one kind of food or drank one kind of beer. ("I ONLY DRINK BUD! ALL THAT IMPORTED BEER SUCKS!!!" )
I've owned 3 'Murican, 5 Japanese and a German bike and liked them all. It's a freakin smorgasbord of good stuff out there! Get what ya like and ignore how some of us out here on the internet re-arrange the pixels on your monitor...
Just be careful -- some of the Japanese hyper-bikes (like my departed FZ1) are SO competent that they're boring at the sub-triple-digit speeds you can legally ride. Whereas my flexible-flier W650 can make even 25 mph corners... ummm... "challenging"...  |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 05:42 pm: |
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http://www.buelletinboard.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=235&highlight=
This really makes me cry ... This guys story is so similar to mine. He has a knock from the bottom end like my bike, goes to the dealer who dismissed it like 2 dealers did around here. His engine granaded on the ride home with three of his friends on buells following who are now ready to sell their bikes because of his sjit with the dealers.
My bike is still running strong and maybe it won't granade, but I really don't wanna wait for that to happen faced with a dealer who is likely to try and get away from a warranty claim.
Isn't there a way to get these stories within the Buell/HD headquarters? Not my story in particular, but the sum of all these stories? |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:02 pm: |
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Can't understand single-brand/single-genre bikers any more than I'd understand someone who only ate one kind of food or drank one kind of beer. ("I ONLY DRINK BUD! ALL THAT IMPORTED BEER SUCKS!!!" )
I've owned 3 'Murican, 5 Japanese and a German bike and liked them all. It's a freakin smorgasbord of good stuff out there! Get what ya like and ignore how some of us out here on the internet re-arrange the pixels on your monitor...
Well stated. Too bad the lonely few just dont get it. I went on a ride yesterday with my R1 & 9 Buells & 1 HD..hell I even led the ride..oh imagine the horrors of that, an R1 leading a Buell ride. Anyways it was all about friends riding, not about what brand of bike you are on. Same here on this board, its not about the bikes but rather about the friendships that come about. Hogs if you dont want to open your mind up & realize that there are a lot of great bikes out there now days, then why not just go sit in a closet & close the door?
I pity the narrow minded people who can only appreciate 1 type of anything & anyone with an opposing opinion or different tastes is obviously wrong & should be made to go away.
Grow up.
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Hogs
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Dyna why don``````t you GRow up seems like your the kid that has to agree with someone shooting down the XBs........The Bad Weather Bikers' BBS, or "BADWEB" for short, is a website Buelletin-Board-System/Discussion Forum for Buell® American Motorcycle enthusiasts. NOW if it said:
" Join And Say HOW much better your JAP bikes are DO you think for one minute this Forum would be as popular as it is of COURSE NOT..!AND tell me something there BuD where Do you read in my remarks that I shot down JAP bikes or ANY other brands for that MATTER??? LEt me know. Like I said I come here as I`m sure most do to LEarn about XB`s As well as Buells in GEneral NOt to hear HOW much better jap bikes are ...So I hope just a little bit of this can seep into your HEAD..Thanks |
Hogs
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PLus I certainly don`t come here to stand up or DEfend buells so enough said on this matter ...Knowledge on buells is really why I join here not to argue with YOU or any others.. And YES TO make Friends NOT EMENYS... |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:32 pm: |
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And YES TO make Friends NOT EMENYS...
Well so far you are batting 0 on that one.
Ingemar is relating his story of his bike & its troubles & then related how he felt on a couple other bikes during test rides. I suppose if he had come in & posted that the other bikes sucked then it would be ok with you, but since he obviously enjoyed himself on something other than a Buell..well you have an issue with it. You know what, too damn bad. Its not your board to tell anyone what they can or cannot post, its not your job to tell someone to go post on the "jappies" forums.
Plenty of others here have bikes other than Buells & if cant stand to ever read about some of them, well then maybe you are the noe who should leave.
BTW, whats with the ridiculous capitol letters? |
Hogs
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:43 pm: |
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Whatever Dyna ..Its right for you to stick up for your buddy I Understand ..Say what ya like :-)
Besides perhaps I am batting out with you and Ingemar ,But thats your doing ,But I have made friends here for your infomation.. You read what you want to read in between the lines I see ..HAve a good one.. |
Xblue9r
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And just to add some fuel to this particular fire...
Hogs, is there something wrong with your keyboard? I'm a pretty qualified PC technician and I think perhaps your shift key is sticking.
But seriously, I am about to be an ex-Buell owner, XB9R to be exact and find that the discussions and passions here are more entertaining and intelligent than on any other bike related forums.
I'll still be around, and like Dyna, am currently on an R1.
Just because the bike is gone, doesn't mean I dislike the Buells, just not my cup of tea anymore.
So all in all, Ingemar, stick around, enjoy the fellow MOTORCYCLE enthusiast and partake in some intelligent discussions. |
Hogs
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 07:16 pm: |
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Good for you there Xblue9r..Glad to hear it..Nothing wrong with Ri`s etc.etc. have owned many jap bikes in my earlier years, •••• just sold four of the families last week xt350, xt650, and a couple small kid yamahas , have owned nortons, truimps, bsa, javas, •••• and a few other brands anyways all the power to ya,,We have a bike meet here every Thursday evening we all get together and there must always be between 50 and 75 of us all take off and drive throughout town and then wherever we go.. great time all makes and models from 50cc`s to 1700`cc great time.. |
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