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Eeeeek
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Stone? Speak American here!

Does the math...1 stone=14 pounds, so 15 stones=210 pounds. So by this freaky Celtic math (excuse me, maths), I'm about 11.4 Stones.

Why not just use pounds???

Vik
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Ralph
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So that would make me .... one boulder :)

bighairyralph
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Mark_In_Ireland
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So Vik, you will need a steering damper, whilst Ralph will be okay......:)
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Chibueller
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No, I'll need the damper. I'm only a buck fifty soaking wet.

Ah, I'm dumping that 97 tl idea. The 01 VTR is $7100 and the 01 TL is $8200. Because the 97 TL is now $7700 I'm not really saving anything like I had thought last week (quoted $6900).
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Travis
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Vik, if they used pounds, someone may get that cornfused with the dollar...er...monetary unit. Why dont the just use the Dollar, and while their at it drive on the right.

trav
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Chibueller
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thats not an Irish problem, someone else started it
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hmmm, one more thing to ponder... It seems I recall someone mentioning how much extra beef there is in the Blast cylinder sleeve. Could it be... the new engine will be based upon the blast configuration, but with bigger bore ~600cc displacement per cyl? We'd still get a revver and a torque monster and the extra angle (was it 55 degrees Aaron?) will help accommodate the increased bore.

I hope so. Cause I just can't see how a 1000cc twin version of the Blast will make the kind of power we are wanting to see in our Buells. I could be wrong, but if not, I'd just as soon stick with the current 1200 which is just fine by me.
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, I posted twice on the GDB with reference to the MCN UK article. No one has responded so I'll try one last time here.

The Tilley bike is said to be the bike that the new Buell is gonna be based on using this twin Blast motor.

I find that hard to believe because from where I'm sitting I thought Tilley's racer was\is an S1 chassis with a twin carb head set-up. If so, what the hell are MCN talking about ? On the other hand, isn't there a Buell team running in the Lightning series with BMC support that calls itself Innovative Motorcycle Research ? Isn't this the team we should be looking at ? The quiet one ?

Rocket in England
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You mean Mike Barnes' Team?

Here he is:

Mike Barnes

Tilley's 2000 spec racer actually used an X1 frame, with a fifth heim joint joining the rear carrier to the frame, to help take some of the load off the rear isolators.

I think the general look of this new model will closely resemble the Tilley Buell:

2000 Tilley Buell as ridden by Shawn Higbee.
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Aaron
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake: I believe the Blast cyl is a standard X1/S3 cyl ... I don't have an X1/S3 parts book to compare it to, but the Blast cyl (only sold with fitted piston) has a -99 part number. And the Blast cyl has the same little "1200" cast into the corner as the twins. The piston is definitely standard t-storm, it carries the same part number as the one in my '99 M2.

I measure a 50 degree angle on the Blast cam box. But it's certainly possible that the cyl angles could deviate from that.

AW
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looking at the flat tracker pic poster earlier, I'm wondering if they are going to a multi-valve head with separated exhaust port channels exiting into separate pipes, then joining as a function of exhaust tuning. Would this concept be any quieter than one big exhaust tube? Would the smaller exhaust ports lead to a higher exhaust gas flow and help with any scavenging in the combustion chamber and help with sucking in the fresh stuff?

Anybody ever played around with a Yamaha SR500 single with the twin exhaust for comparison?

Just checking my eyes and my flow assumptions.
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Jasonl
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MikeJ - from working on multivalved cars I'd say the reason for the 3 valve heads is to enhance combustion and help move the gases at higher engine speeds.

The multi-valved heads swirl the intake charge and help it to combust better while the extra valves move more gas per revolution.

A friend has an SRX6 which is an evolved SR500. It's a great little bike that will run with a lot of bikes up to 90 mph. It does vibrate more as you get over 4500 rpm but that could be tamed with many different solutions. That is if you expect the new twin to spin like an SR500 or an SRX6. As far as the exhaust goes I haven't noticed much that's different about the twin pipes. I think it's just a cost-effective and simple solution to exhausting two different ports.

(this guy's bike is way cool though. It was setup for club racing but he tours on it all the damn time. What a city bike too. It's narrow as hell. When it's idling it has a serious dancing beat to the exhaust. He's dissatisfied though because it is finicky sometimes with a kickstart w/the battery eliminator kit.)
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Mark_In_Ireland
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 04:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BUELL is finally going to make the bikes its founder has always wanted to – full-on, sports bikes. So far the Buell badge has been standing for grunt-laden bikes which are bags of fun but not quite on the money when it comes to on-the-edge performance. Erik Buell has been keen to take things further and compete with European and Japanese sports bikes.
Buells tuned by American Harley dealer Tilley’s are currently raced in the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) Pro Thunder series and it is these bikes that will form the basis of the new road bike, US sources say. The engine on the new bike is expected to be totally new, while keeping the familiar 45-degree V-twin layout of today’s bikes. The racer is thought to be running a prototype version of the motor. The air-cooled 45 degree V-twin format common to Buell range is likely to stay on the new bike, however the displacement of 1200cc looks set to be reduced to just under 1000cc. This is because the new engine will be based on technology first used on the 492cc single-cylinder Buell Blast. The new bike will effectively use two of these engines mated together giving a displacement of 984cc with a bore and stroke in each cylinder of 88.9 by 79.4mm. This reduction in stroke will give the bike a far revvier engine than current models – allowing it to produce more power. Fuel injection is likely to be used due to tough emissions laws in both Europe and America. The chassis on the new bike will be developed from the race bike’s frame. Sources are pointing towards Buell keeping the steel trellis construction familiar to their range but making the geometry more sports biased. Front forks are likely to be upside-down Showa units but the rear shock mounted under the engine will be junked in favour of more conventional monoshock and rising rate suspension linkage. The whole bike will be cloaked in a full fairing – again similar to that used on the racer. In further developments at the Harley-Davidson factory more information on the water-cooled bikes due to debut soon is starting to emerge. They will be officially launched this summer with a limited number available to the public in early 2002. Full production is not due to start until 2003, when an entire range of water-cooled bikes will be launched to celebrate Harley’s centenary. The 60 degree V-twin engine, which was revealed in MCN early last year, marks a radical departure from Harley’s traditional design of an air-cooled 45 degree V-twin.
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Chibueller
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Scratch the Honda SuperHawk off your comparable list. Progressive's rates are twice that of the x1 or the TL1000s'.

It seems that although Honda believes the superhawk is a street sport bike the insurance industry doesn't take the bait.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any comments on Kosko HD/Buell in NJ? I'm thinking of snagging a used Buell there. They seem Buell active, but don't have a dyno. Cool that they were open till 8 pm and stayed around till near 9 pm to talk with me. Jason Kosko, son of the owner, was the only guy I talked to. He rides an X1.

Jeff: Y'all got any good used S1's, X1's, or M2's I might be interested in? I just need a beater to ride this summer here in Joyzee. I found a '00 M2 with 4K miles at Kosco's for $6K. A fair deal.

Blake (lookin' to ride some N. NJ twisties)

Oops, Mike, thought I was on the GDB. Sorry Henrik, I hate fairings of any kind. And like I said, I'm looking for a beater, no where near the shweetness of your S3. The bike will be sitting outside all summer. I'm looking forward to tinkering with a new to me Buell this summer.
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