| Author | Message | ||
     Gonen60 |
SYN-3 oil change today...what benefits can I expect? | ||
| Daves |
Your bike should run cooler, shift better and you'll have less $$ in your wallet to weigh you down.  Dave | ||
| Hogs |
how many miles on your ride now ? since you have changed to syn.?? | ||
| Shotgun |
Lightning protection. Oh and snake bites too. | ||
| Stealthxb |
I made the switch @ 1000 miles. Shifting was noticeable smoother and the oil cooling fan eventually began to come on less. | ||
| Hogs |
well in my opinion 1000 miles a motor is not even broken in yet... espically an air cooled one at that.. So syn. is NOt A good thing.. for nomal break in.... | ||
| Stealthxb |
BS | ||
| Brucelee |
"well in my opinion 1000 miles a motor is not even broken in yet... espically an air cooled one at that.. So syn. is NOt A good thing.. for nomal break in...." It is your opinion and I have never seen this old wive's tale substantiated anywhere by engineers' etc. BTW-Buell says it is OK right off, BUT they don't ship the bike with Syn 3..And, unlike other first rate syn (like Mobil 1), there are no API ratings on the HD syn 3. I wouldn't use it to lube my gate out back without the API rating. | ||
| Hogs |
Like I said its just my opinion and I wouldn`t think of using syn. that soon ..... one would have to think that buell are building their engines "Loose" from the get start and I don`t think thats the case but then again to say go and Hit the sucker wot after 800 miles ....I wd. have to think they are..and they expect ppl. to hit them hard soon and not wait for a long breakin period...so go figure eh...in my case I wait until 3500 miles before hitting it HARD..and gradually work up to that..thats just me ..been doing it that way for the past 30 plus years never a problem..•••• look at Diesels they claim it takes 25 to 30 THOUSand miles before they break in and thats as true as I ever HEard..all thingss being equall that is | ||
| Stealthxb |
Before I was good and broken in, I used to spit in my hand. Now as a grown man I prefer to use something more slippery! | ||
| Barkandbite |
Stealth... Thanks for sharing. That explains your limp. Ew.  Chris | ||
| Aesquire |
IMHO Daves is right. Buells tend to be tight, but I think the most basic part of break in is completed by 500/1000 miles. That is that the piston rings & cylinder walls have knocked the really high spots off each other, and you are getting a decent seal. Synthetic use after 500 miles may slow this process down, thats the "old common wisdom" maybe because H-D didn't approve ( or sell! ) synthetic oil till Syn-3 came out. The heat resistant nature of a synthetic is well worth the cost. Old style dino oil is more than 1/2 worn out long before your next oil change, at about 800 miles. How long this process goes on, & when it changes from seals better & better to wearing out, I'm not sure. Search for Synthetic oil comparisons on the web & have a nice read. I run Synth in car & bike, & have for years. YMMV IMHO | ||
| Yeahcmon |
I'm with Hogs. Wait till 3500 and break it in good. | ||
| Brucelee |
All opinions, no data. Fact is, no one has provided any evidence from any reputable source to suggest that syn is inappropriate for a new engine. In fact, Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, Corvette, Viper et al, ship the cars with and specify SYN from day 1. BMW specifies syn in all its M cars. Any science would be appreciated. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
But BMW also says not to use it in their bikes until I believe at least 3500 miles because it takes that long for the motor to break in properly. | ||
| Gonen60 |
I waited until I had over 2000mi to switch...But in contrast I have been winding my motor out since day one...I just passed my one year birthday. | ||
| Hogs |
BIG Difference between those cars "watercooled" And AIR COOled especially when your talking 80 to 100 degree heat in some parts of the US and one cant compare a six or eight cylinder to a Vtwin ... ITS your engine do as it you seem fit.. I plan to keep mine going for 100,000 plus as well as my friends have and we allways break em in easy to hard until atleast 3500 miles. so be it.... | ||
| Brucelee |
Still no science. Old myths about synthetic oil die very very hard indeed. BTW-there is a guy on the VFR discussion group that tests oils for a living. He has some very illuminating data on oils and how well they do their job over time in MC engines. Very illuminating, he only uses Mobil 1 15-50W. | ||
| Bads1 |
My last three bikes ,all Buells were changed out at 500 miles with syn. no problems.The HD CVO bikes come with syn. in them new. Hogs which one of the cars manufacters listed above in your post made high performance oil cooled engines for one of the best performing cars in history??? | ||
| Hogs |
Hogs which one of the cars manufacters listed above in your post , are you thinking of POrsche???? Your Point is???? | ||
| Hogs |
I`ve seen old PAnHEADS from the FIFTIES with over 100,000 miles of DINO straight 50 weight oil used in them from day one and never opened up... so One can`t knock the old dino oil now can we....Everyone I talked to about oils etc. say that syn. are GREAT but NOT to use for break in and 500, 800 miles your ENGINE is NOT broke in or perhaps its on its way to get BROKEN IN sooner than you might think in the FUTURE ...Anyways guys I`m not here to argue with ya one for one.. and ONE FOR all.....later.. | ||
| Bads1 |
First point is that HD is putting the stuff in there most expensive bikes.Hmmmmm I WONDER WHY??? Second my point is in your post you referred to all those car makes as watercooled but they all run synthetic and Porsche being what?????aircooled. | ||
| Brucelee |
Well Porsche's current offerings are all watercooled. However, I would reiterate what I have been saying all along, there is no scientific data to support the notion that syn will inhibit a new motor (water or air cooled) from "breaking in"! | ||
| Bads1 |
Bruce do you run it at 500- 1000 miles????I've been doing this with everthing including my cars and trucks.And they were driven and then switched to syn. first oil change about 1500 miles or so.Never any problems. | ||
| Hogs |
BAds1 ...First point is that HD is putting the stuff in there most expensive bikes.Hmmmmm I WONDER WHY??? OH So the Big HD. IS GOD I SEE...... Second my point is in your post you referred to all those car makes as watercooled but they all run synthetic and Porsche being what?????aircooled. Excuse ME POrsche is NOT air cooled far from it as I own two 911`s now but Rather the same as HArley OIL cooled thats why IF you ever owned one you would see all the extra oil lines and oil coolers that they do have on the 911`s as well as the 928`s etc. etc. but most important the 911`s being OIL cooled as well what little air they do get in there...OIL is not just for lubication as I guess some think but really a big part of the oil is for cooling.. I rest my casxe on this matter as I just started off saying in "MY" opioion I wd. not break in a air/oiled cooled engine on syn. " MY" opioion only ... | ||
| Brucelee |
"Bruce do you run it at 500- 1000 miles????I've been doing this with everthing including my cars and trucks.And they were driven and then switched to syn. first oil change about 1500 miles or so.Never any problems." When my Buell was new, I was advised to run Dino for at least 3000 miles "until the bike was broken in." Being that this was the HD dealer, I deferred to their "judgement" and used Dino for the 200 mile change that I did. At 1000 miles, I had already done my research and figured out that there was NO DATA to support this myth on syn and new motors. Far from it, some of the most sophisticated and high performance motors in the world are run from day 1 with syn. So, at 1000 miles I went to Mobil 1 15-50 and never looked back. BTW-I love the 1 million mile test that they did with a BMW and Mobil 1. Tore the motor down and the engineers were astonished at the pristine condition of the innards. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
First point is that HD is putting the stuff in there most expensive bikes.Hmmmmm I WONDER WHY??? Dana, after getting oil splattered on me by that brand new Screaming Eagle Road King last weekend im not so sure breaking in the motor with synthetic may be the best route to go. | ||
| Odie |
I had the shovelhead in my Wideglide rebuilt my Accurate Engineering in Dothan, AL. and they recommended that I didn't run synthetic until 2500 miles or so. At 2500 +/- miles I switched to Redline 20/50 synthetic. It seemed to me that the oil leaked out of the gasket areas at a greater rate the mineral based oil does. Just an observation. I eventually went back to HD 60 weight in it. | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna my dentist has 3 of them and no problems,but hell you and I both know we've seen oil spraying out of the best of them even with the dino oil. Hogs I know that the newer Porsche's are watercooled but the older ones aren't and they run on syn.But your right its your opinion,do what you gotta do. | ||
| Bads1 |
Bruce sounds like you have done exactly as I and ran it in there as soon as first oil change. |
