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Yellow_xb9s
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyone runnin' an oversized rear on their bike? If so, do you like it? Do you have a pic you can post?
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Curve__carver
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Your handling would be adversely affected...it will have slower turn in. It may also cause some issues with cornering stability and steering geometry.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not to mention the rim isn't made for a bigger tire, so the money you spent on that new big ol' tire is wasted 'cause it will wear out faster.
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Johncr250
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don`think you could go any bigger even if you wanted to.

On my XB12 there is about 3/8inch between the stock tire and the drive belt.
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Fullpower
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

3/8" is a LOT of room.certainly you could fit a 190 width, but the rim width would squish the tire, and leave the wrong profile.
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Ortegakid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've been running 190's since they came out,(supercorsa),works great,def makes it turn it faster,and likes to be leaned way over,kind of makes it oversteer more,will take pics,post later tonight.IMHO no real benefit,I bought them cheap,will last 1k,maybe two.
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Evil_twin
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's my understanding that you can run a 200 if you do the chain conversion.

I like the PHAT look but I wouldn't want to affect the handling of my bike.

My $.02.

Rich
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984_cc
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, fatter tyres make for slower turn-in. You can feel how the rear-end trails the front at slow speeds in the parking lot. Just take a spin on an enduro or a nice handling vintage bike and feel the difference. I was thinking about going to a slimmer tyre when the time comes to replace my stock one.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Misato
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

its better to be dead and cool
than alive and uncool

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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

me, I'll be glad when the whole phat tire thing calms down . . . . .even the choppers look stoopid with them I think . . . . . . .
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If all it ever ran was the dragstrip...I could see that, but damn look how much of the tire he has used and barely has the bike leaned over...what a waste...
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Bykergeek
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Haven't tried it on my buell but I went up one size to 170 on my Ducati Monster. I can't tell the difference as far as handling. My Speed Triple had a 190 on it and it also handled and steered impecably. But I also don't live on a track or ride like Nicky Hayden... Appearance is a big part of the motorcycle lifestyle. Do what you want. If you don't like it, you can always go back down next time.
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Buellfool
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My understanding is that the stock Dunlop 180 is really the size of a 190, and that if you swap the stock rubber out for a 180 Avon or Pirelli then the handling is improved not just for the better tyre but also because of the swap to a real 180? YES/NO???
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Johncr250
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I love the fat look too!
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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A 190 \ 60 has a larger contact patch due to its flatter profile.

A 180 \ 55 is a steep more round profile tyre thus will allow the bike to turn in faster.

A 190 section is used in racing if the track has predominantly long sweeping corners. A higher corner speed is aimed for using the advantage of larger contact patch whilst the tyre is laid over.

A 180 section is used if the track is twisty. The steeper profile allows the bike to get on its side quicker thus you will turn in quicker.

If you have ridden the same bike with both size tyres, you will probably notice the 190 section tyre is worn closer to the edge than a 180 section. This leads people to believe the bike has laid over further (the knee down myth LOL) but that is not the case. Because the 190 section is flatter than the 180 the edge can be reached at a much sooner angle of lean. A real hero will burn the edges of his 180's. Check in the bike park before you decide to dice with him.



Rocket
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984_cc
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buellfool, I think I heard that somewhere too. I think someone here said that. I was thinking about a 170. I had an Aprilia ETV 1000 once. It had a 150 section tyre on the back. That was a cruise missile up the twisties. Suprised quite a few sportbike riders. I think for most streetbikes, it is more of a cosmetic issue really (the wide look). I really don't like the way my bike handles (feels) with the stock tyre size on back. It's difficult to explain unless you can compare it to an older bike with slim tyres or an enduro like I said.
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Ortegakid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What rocketman stated is so very true,will show ya'll the pics soon,my 190 does not get fried to the edge like the 180 does,but sticks real good on its side,is perfect for the high speed twisties of ortega!
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Ortegakid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

However!???
My 190 is (supercorsa),and is therefore 'sposed to be best of both worlds,can only tell you,best I've ever been on,including the 'A' 208gp dunlops!
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Ortegakid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What happened,wrote 190/55,..just figured it out,it thought i wrote !
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The big @ssed rear tires look pretty cool on a "chopper", but on a sportbike it doesnt help ythe handling 1 iota.
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The width of the rear tyre is determined by the manufacturer, in the case of large capacity sports bikes, to be the most suitable size for its purpose.

Certain production based race series will not allow the use of anything but stock wheels. For this reason the manufacturer has given said machine the most suitable wheel for its purpose. If you see a fat rear tyre fitted standard on a bike like an R1, GSXR 1000, ZX10R or whatever, it is NOT a gimmick. It is there for a purpose (and your safety).

Rocket
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Bykergeek
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 06:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you see a fat rear tyre fitted standard on a bike like an R1, GSXR 1000, ZX10R or whatever, it is NOT a gimmick. It is there for a purpose (and your safety)

Fat Tires/Tyres save lives!
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Ftd
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

360 tire
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Curve__carver
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does it float?
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sure wouldn't want to ride it in the rain!
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

exile chaps are the only "fat" tyred scoots I lust after at all . . . . . they are building what I would build for myself, if I needed a bar hopper --

note, however, that BOTH tyres are good sized . . . also note their primary environment ain't strafing apexes
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Didja ever notice we think a lot alike?
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

be afraid, brother -- very afraid indeed!
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Buellkowski
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Old school fat...

rokon
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Rokoneer
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ah Buellkowski....Now THAT is truly awesome machine.....
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Jasonblue
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Exile bikes rock, the widest they go is a 230.

Wife says I can get one when the XB is paid off. If you get one of their bikes in "kit" form tou save around 10 grand. Even then they are high. HMMMM...Buy an Exile or make a monster XB.
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Kaudette
Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Forget going wide on the XB - the bike is not made for it and you'll end up looking like all the above mentioned idiots that ride from the garage to the bar and back - usually all of 10 miles round trip - and they probably stop at the gas station each way just for the looks.
That guy on the jap Dyna posted just looks dumb... Mount a 180 and be a man and try to wear the edges - I've made it a few times on my Pirelli's but it isn't easy...
There's a reason poser & loser are so near.
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Jasonblue
Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When I said make a monster XB I meant motor work, not a fat tire.
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