| Author | Message | ||
     Odie |
Ya'll ain't gonna believe this!!! (pretty good redneck speak for a Michigan boy!!) Like my "Oh Happy Day" thread stated I picked up my 12S yesterday around lunch and managed to put about 85 miles on it. All as dictated by the service and owners manual 55 mph/3000rpm....Got up this morning and rode to the 194 mile mark and heard numerous, loud, metallic clanks like a valve had just dropped and the motor died. I was going 55mph down the highway and pulled into a parking lot to investigate. The motor wouldn't even turn over! Called the dealer and they came and got me a half hour later. As they tore into it my salesman offered the 12s race kit demo so naturally I took him up on the offer. VERY SWEET!!!! It was just nice to go above 3000 rpm and get into the powerband not to mentioned it sounded tons better. After and hour of responsible riding I returned to be told that I'm getting a new motor!!!! They believe the rear cylinder oil supply was restricted somehow and a valve dropped down and the piston connected with it. They showed me the rear cylinder sparkplug and it only had about a half inch of threads left on it!!! It was incredible!! While I was out on the race kit bike I noticed that the cooling fan didn't come on near as much as it did on mine. Mine would come on going 55mph at 0830 in the morning. Having never rode one and reading about the fans noise etc on this site I figured it was normal. I sat at traffic lights at noon in lower Alabama and the demo bikes fan didn't come on. It came on once after a high speed run and then quick stoplight sitting. Other than that it never came on. I stopped and called back to the dealer because I felt this was significant. Obviously it was!!! The rear cylinder was eating itself every revolution!! Buell has a new motor coming from the factory as we speak so I'm happy about that but I still can't believe this happened. I hadn't owned it 24 hours and it had 194 miles!!!!! The funny thing about it is that when we were doing the paperwork my salesman pulled up the available VIN's on the computer and I said "Which one to pick; it's like a gamble-which one is going to be a lemon!" He sort of chuckled then but that's the first thing I said to him when I called- "I GOT THE LEMON!!!" Oh well............After the race kit demo ride for an hour I can't wait to get it back and get it broke in and mod it and have some fun.......................wow...... | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Why not just have em give you a new bike instead of a new motor?? | ||
| M1combat |
Odie... Thank you for removing one of what I believe will be the VERY few lemons. I'll buy you a beer if I get the chance. | ||
| Odie |
From what I know of the lemon law; which this state has; legally they have three strikes then they're out. A new ride home would've been the best deal but a new morot vs. fixing the metal infested old one was a better deal............needless to say I'm still very pissed over the whole deal......... | ||
| New12r |
sorry about your luck, with that many miles i would get a new bike, unlike a car a motor swap isnt as intense on a bike but...i would want a whole new bike to get moving again faster. just having mine down for two nights was rough. | ||
| Xblue9r |
i gotta say, i'm extremely impressed with your attitude toward this. i really don't think i'd be as calm and cool about it if it happened to me. | ||
| Aydenxb9 |
It's a machine built by human hands, sometimes stuff happens. It'll all be made right and this will be a distant memory before long. | ||
| Canadianxb9sl |
I work at an auto plant, I'v been in assembly, and paint. Things made my human hands are never perfect. Been there 8 years, and if you only knew the crap I'v seen go by. Every now and then, no matter what it is, there are lemons. But sounds like your being well taken care of, and I doubt you'll have trouble like this again. Hope this dosen't make you question your choice of one of the coolest, and most different brand of bike out there. Ride that Demo like its a Demo! | ||
| Rosko |
by just changing the motor, there is no need to redo paperwork (i.e.: titles, loan papers, insurance papers, etc...with the VIN on it) | ||
| Odie |
Things will be made right; they don't have a choice. I believe there was some slight pushing to fix my motor but my salesman said stop, lets call Buell. Buell told them to quit messing with the motor and box it up and send it to them. There has to be a ton of metal thru out the motor. Looked in the service manual last night and they never speak to flushing the oil tank but I'm assuming they will along with the lines. I'm definitely going to change the oil around the 500 mile mark and then again at the 1000k. This has pissed me off but after riding the demo I want my bike back so I can really ride it. The demo ride was very nice. How come every used Harley I buy I've never had a problem with but every new one I buy I have problems with?? I feel I've made a good choice still. There are always lemons in life. Unfortunately they fall off the tree a little closer to me than I like! They said the factory was shipping it ASAP and it will be their priority when it arrives. Hopefully you won't be able to tell a thing when they're finished. I always hate tearing into something that's new. (unless it's to make it go faster or stop faster!) All will be ok next week.......still can't believe this though........ | ||
| Brucelee |
Case in point. 2002 Porsche Boxster-10K miles and ate an entire engine. Ouch, no? | ||
| Odie |
Ouch, yes!! I know you can feel my pain!!! | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Odie, sounds very similar to my deal except mine took 2700 miles & they didnt replace the motor...just went with an oversized jug & piston on the front cylinder, can you say unbalanced? Hope it all works out for you & it doesnt take too damn long to get your bike back. | ||
| Odie |
R1, so what's your deal. I know you have Buell issues and I'm assuming it's from the incident you just related to me. I take it they didn't make it right for you. Bike a POS now?? What year was/is it? | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Dont want to get into it again, but its a 2001 X1 that has been down since Sept 2002. Lets just say legal deals have been & are on going. This is your thread about your bike & your problem, lets keep it that way ok? | ||
| Odie |
Understood.......I feel your pain.....well, maybe not quite as bad it sounds but I'm with ya none the less. We'll see how my deal turns out. It's not done yet.... | ||
| Outrider |
Odie...I bought the other X1 that was sold in Wisconsin (humor intended) and mine runs flawlessly. No insult to Dyna, he is a good friend and most certainly got the raw end of the deal. Looks like it was just the luck of the draw for both of you. In as much as this sounds strange, the engine is a replacement part. Be glad you are getting a new one and not having yours rebuilt. Just be thankful that your engine is made and stocked here in the USA. Imagine how long it could take to get a replacement from another country. I lost 90 days of riding time once waiting for a carb to be delivered from Japan. The longest wait I had for a replacement (not accessory) part from HDI/HD/BMC was 4 working days, but I guess it helps that my dealer is in the next day UPS delivery zone from the Franklin, WI parts distribution center. Enjoy your bike when you get it back. It will be worth the wait. Also, use the down time to make friends at your dealership (Sales, service, etc.). Later on this investment will reward you many times over in your dealings with them. Trust me, they will never forget you and your experience if you smile and work with them rather than against them on this matter. | ||
| Captainplanet |
If it was my brand new bike, I would also push pretty hard for a new swingarm, oil lines, and oil cooler with the new motor. Maybe they can flush all the metal out, but maybe not. Sure wouldn't want the new motor to go due to some residual metal shavings in the oiling system. | ||
| M1combat |
Good point Captain... | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Its what the dealer did for Ski... | ||
| Glitch |
New XB12R 150 miles. New engine and on his way in about a week. Lost valve guide caused all this. Point is he got a new engine and they made it right in a very timely manner. Maybe we should thank DynaSquid, looks like he taught the powers that be how not to handle things. I truly wish they'd fix Dyna's bike with a new XB12 engine    | ||
| Odie |
I'm going to call down there monday morning and mention the flush of the remaining parts of the oil system. I'm not too keen on the metal floating around my new engine either. Like I said; I will change the oil at 500 miles, maybe even sooner. All my friends (Harley riders) can't believe this happened. Hopefully I won't have to take crap for the rest of my life about the POS Buell. I guess I'll shut them up when I wheelie past them!! Looked in my service manual for a oil system diagram but none to be found. It just gives you a slight description. My wideglide service manual; sportster service manual; VFR service manual all have diagrams. I was looking to see where the possible blockage or restriction may have occurred. The more I think about this I believe they are opening themselves up for a lifetime (at least until my 6 year warranty is up) of warranty claim possibilities. Pulling the motor that soon "maybe they damaged x part when they did it".....this and that doesn't work right; maybe they messed it up when they pulled the motor out..etc.... I'm not a huge fan of extended warranties but for $9 more a month I thought maybe it was worth it. I think it was the best decision I made that day after this crap.....I was thinking maybe I could get a serious sympathy discount on the race kit. I could live with the race cans sound (which sounded great to me) until I hear a Drummer in the flesh and then sell it if I decide to get one. | ||
| Davefl |
If they give you any guff just remind them that Harley supplies the engines for Buell. According to the H-D race team(who uses Blast engines in the 500 class but call them Harleys) has been know to say that Buell does not make engines. | ||
| M1combat |
The service manual does indeed have an oil system diagram. A very good one I might add. | ||
| Odie |
I didn't look to awful hard. Thanks M1, I'll look again when I have the time. I just got off the phone with the dealer and my motor is supposed to be here today. I talked to them about flushing everything out and they said it would be done and if anything was questionable it would be replaced. I'm still gonna change my oil at 500 miles then again at 1000. Weather has been good all day and I can't ride.....*#@%*@#* | ||
| Outrider |
Odie...Sounds like your dealer is really on the ball. Hope everything works out well for you. If you are at all concerned about metal particles either in the swing arm or the new engine, you may want to consider changing the oil and filter between 50 and 100 miles. Then again at the normal intervals. I have a number of friends that do this will all their new and rebuilt bikes. It doesn't cost much and is cheap insurance. YMMV | ||
| Odie |
You're right. The more I thought about it the more I figured I would just do it sooner. I'd rather have a little more piece of mind than worry about when it's coming apart again. The only time it should come apart again is when it gets converted into a 1500!!!! I'm going to try and get a little sympathy and get the race kit at cost if I can!!! We'll see........ | ||
| Noface |
I'd insist that they flush the oil tank and lines before they fire that new motor. And I'd insist that I WATCH them do it. But we all know... no customers in the "shop". | ||
| Outrider |
Odie...I get the feeling you are on the right track concerning developing an excellent relationship with that dealer. God forbid you ever move, but if you do, we have some really good one's here in Milwaukee. I personally recommend Hal's and one independent for all your needs. | ||
| Rockbiter1 |
no customers in the shop, but you can always hover in the service counter area and stare in thru the window  |
