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Alex_mp
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Guys,

I recently had an accident and as a consequence got multiple fractures in my left hand and I don't know if they are going to let me ride my bike anytime soon. However, it breaks my heart to see the bike in the garage all broken. For that reason I would like your advise on how to fix it. As you will see, the main damage is in the frame, there are other parts broken but they seem to be an easy fix.

I will post more pics as I manage to download them to the server.

Thanks!



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Alex_mp
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Hammer71
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If thats a hole in the frame, which I think it is, part it out and get a new one. A new frame, even with the correct paperwork is a major pain in the ass to register in NY
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You will need a frame replacement for that, the bike is good as totaled. It will not be fun to try and register it with the DMV after swapping a new frame with different VIN.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you still have the title (clean)and dmv does not know its damaged ,weld or let weld in some new aluminum.

Or try here for a nice and shiny frame( title!??)
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/21/ 626298.html?1302629743
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll play the straight guy...

Why not weld it up?

1) The frame would still need to be straight. Can't tell if it is or isn't. Gotta verify that.

2) The frame is coated on the inside (as it is the tank). No idea what to do about that.

3) Is it structurally still sound? Hmmm. You only need to patch the ripped hole, the rest could stay dented. And it's by the snorkel hole, which is no doubt also structural (though likely not as much as the outside of the frame).
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Arctic9r
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is your life worth compromising a structurally damaged frame?

My Life is worth replacing the motorcycle.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on guy's
the xb frames can take a heavy beating!

If it was my bike i would repair it and ride it as mister buell intended it!
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a difference between a beating and having a nasty gash and a large dent. I am looking on ebay, couple hundred bucks for a used XB9 frame. Install it, and hope nobody ever checks the VIN.
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Lighting
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How much for the whole bike? I'm looking to build a race only if you are interested in letting her go.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you need two things:

1. Dumpster.

2. New motorcycle.

Fortunately you can get a low mileage late model Buell, for relatively little now a days.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you would need to take the frame off to reapair it, why not just replace it? Numbers matching, has dmv ever checked? Just don't ever sell it..
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Syonyk
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd not be comfortable riding anything with that much frame damage that was repaired. Money says the frame is tweaked from that impact too. No idea how much, but it doesn't really matter.

I'd try to avoid playing VIN games too. That may bite you in the rear some day - I've heard of random police inspections of track days looking for bikes reported stolen. Having a different VIN on the (highly visible) frame from the registration is a really bad idea.

Personally, I'd report the bike totaled if you don't have insurance that would cover it, remove all the good parts, and buy a used Buell with a bad motor or something (but a clean title). Swap all the stuff onto the other bike, sell the remaining parts, and hang the torn up frame on your wall as modern art.

IMO, that frame should never be ridden again.
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Greg_e
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take it off the road, buy a new frame and register it, put all your other components in the new frame. Should be just like buying any used bike and I doubt they will check to make sure the engine matches the frame and you can always say you replaced the engine because of a failure, people do that all the time. I see nothing wrong with this way of doing it.

I would not just swap the frame and hope that no one notices. Any inspection place doing their job will catch it and fail your inspection.
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Davegess
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dude, that frame is toast. glad you are OK, looks like a very nasty get off. Do not try to weld that frame, you have a gaping hole in the single most important art of your bike. I would not rust ANY repair to, best case, cause funny handling and worst case rupture open and pour gas all over a hot engine.
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Illbuell
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can help you with getting a frame with a clean title. Cheap too.
illbuell@yahoo.com
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Alex_mp
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys, You are a great source of info and for that, thank you.

Now, the two options are clear:

1. Anyone interested in selling a frame with a clean title at a reasonable price please PM me.

2. Those interested in getting the bike as it is, shoot me an offer.
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Greg_e
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It looks like you mostly need a frame with title and the front fairing mount and a bunch of tie with tools.
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Silveradotx
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glad you're relatively ok, and sorry about the bike. Makes mine look like an insignificant scratch, both me and the bike.
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Zorie
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

what would the damage have been without that frame puck?
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Boney95
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IMO, those frame pucks don't do shat. I had a minor crash at the trash, the puck was just ripped right off. My bike was totaled due to the frame being dented. Frame sliders would work MUCH better.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Minor crash at the track, but the puck was ripped off upon impact and the frame was still dented. :/

Sliders cannot absorb impact like the pucks are designed to do and your experience is contrary to that of many others. Mainly though, the pucks protect against tip over damage, impact, not sliding down a race track.

That frame is scrap.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Frame pucks won't protect against everything, but they sure do help. I have had numerous crashed on several XBs, the pucks worked like a charm every time.
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Syonyk
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The pucks are basically styrofoam with some rugged plastic over them.

They're essentially a "motorcycle helmet" for the frame, as far as I can tell. They're designed to absorb impact before damaging the corners of the frame.

They may take some amount of sliding before they come apart, but any high energy impact will likely overwhelm them. You can only protect against so much...

Frame sliders help if you go down very smoothly, but I've seen plenty of pictures of frames torn up by the frame slider catching on something and tearing out.

Pick your poison, and accept that you can't protect the bike from everything someone can throw at it.

*shrug*
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Lostartist
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ride a tank!
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Jstfkndi
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Part it and buy a new one unless you want the knowledge of a rebuild on this bike. I would not use that frame again. That is a major tear! Glad you are alright. If you want a rebuild, I rode a bike that had a motor with a different vin and as long as the insurance card matches the vin on the frame, I don't see a problem. Different states are more stringent than others and I am in NC if that helps any.
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