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Christopher12
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When down shift, say from 4 to 1, the 4th gear wouldn't pop out so I can't continue to 3rd, or is it the 3rd gear won't engage? I then I release the clutch and 3rd gear is in, down shift again to 2nd and it stuck again. Repeat.

Before it seems this only happen when I brake hard and/or down shift quickly, the dealer told me not to do that with this style of transmission, now it can happen even when I shift slowly.

Also I have to adjust the clutch play every 200 miles or so and I just read on here that that is too often.

Christopher
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's waaaay too often. Depending on the mileage it could be the throw out bearing. I had to have mine replaced at 16k miles. Best $10 I spent.

(Message edited by kalali on September 01, 2010)
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No_rice
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you should have put all of these in one post... makes it hard to decipher since they all are on the same bike at the same time correct...

from your other couple threads you just started...

The play for the primary chain is within spec but it still makes noise.

I heard this noise before at about 5K mile and I tighten it and the noise stop, but now...

Should I remove the whole, big cover to see?

Christopher

I did the breather bypass about 150 miles ago and now there is smoke out of the filter, the kind of vapor like smoke, not blue or gray.

Also there is knocking on the right side, where the push rods are.

The bike seems to struggle more higher up the rev, and oil level is normal.

All these are new. Can I ride the bike?

Christopher


its alot easier to keep all the discussion in one place and all the problems more then likely pertain to each other.
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Christopher12
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's fine too but I don't know if they're the same problem...

So what do you think?

Christopher
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Iman501
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Before it seems this only happen when I brake hard and/or down shift quickly, the dealer told me not to do that with this style of transmission, now it can happen even when I shift slowly.

i've noticed that if i break really hard as well that it will stay in whatever gear i start in until i let the clutch out a bit and move a little bit, then i can pull clutch back in and shift down through whatever gears i have left.

are all our bikes like this? mine only stays in gear when i break really hard
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Boltrider
Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Take the derby cover off and move the clutch release mechanism to the side and take a look at the inside of the primary cover. Inside there is a thin aluminum lip that the clutch release plate rides up against.

Some on here have had problems with that lip and when there's cracks or breakage to it, the clutch adjustment goes to hell. Mine broke off completely and left me stranded.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes, between 4 and 5 and between 1 and 2.

First basic question: no mention of primary oil in question, when was the last time that was changed or checked?

Second: who checked primary chain play?

Can't go further with transmission questions until those are answered.

In the meantime, don't fight it. Play the clutch until tranny turns and shift again. But get it fixed.

Vapour out of the filter can be a normal thing when you shut off the engine. Not sure what work you're talking about but EPA tries to capture that vapour so if you've removed EPA stuff, you'll most likely see vapour. See what others say.
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Christopher12
Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for all your comments.

I'll check the aluminum lip this holiday weekend.

I did both the check and the oil changed. I used a ruler to measured the play, and it was a bit less than 1/2 inch at cold.

Transmission is with Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, same for the engine and I changed it last at 10K mike. It's now 13K.

Christopher
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Jeffroj
Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 on the primary cover. If you keep having to adjust the clutch, then there is a good chance it is the lips weakening as the ramp pushes off of them, don't stray to far from home until you check it out, cause when they snap off, you're not riding home.

Thanks to whoever engineered that part! Luckily I wasn't too far from a friend's place when mine snapped.
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Christopher12
Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Which one of these is the "lip" piece?

/image{clutch assembly}

Is there any of BadWeb's sponsor who make a better piece? Or anyone else?

Christopher
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Christopher12
Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wrong slash...


clutch assembly
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Jeffroj
Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/282980.html

The first pic shows the broken lip.
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Boltrider
Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

First thing is to remove the clutch cover. Then take off the spring and lockplate (#1 and #2 on the exploded diagram). Next take off the hex nut (#3). You can get the hex nut started by turning the adjuster screw clockwise until the nut starts to come out.

At this point you can slide off the ramp assembly (#4, 6 and 7) and move it out of the way. The ramp pieces are held together by a snap ring so it won't come apart.

Once the ramps are out of the way, you should be able to see the lip in the primary cover.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gonna try real hard to be diplomatic here, I don't mean to offend, but...

I'm looking at this, and all your other posts, and wondering if you have the mechanical skills to be taking this on.

I can see you're getting better at this but is there no decent shop around to double-check the primary tension?

Follow the steps here, especially Blake's post:http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/591572.html?1283571782

I just hate to see you get into deeper problems.
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Christopher12
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 03:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

wow! this is not what I thought the "lip" is!

There's no replacing this so just ride until/ if it breaks, yes?

I am not offended Iamarchangel, especially to you since you can send me to Hell forever!

All kidding aside I'd rather a more experience person does this.

Christopher
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Boltrider
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Checking that lip is easy. You've adjusted the clutch cable before so checking it should be no problem.

If it's broken, the easiest thing is to replace the primary cover. What you saw on that link is some guys who did their own fix while improving/strengthening that area of the primary cover.

You mentioned you keep having to adjust the clutch "every 200 miles." Something is causing that and it ain't normal. If that lip breaks, you WILL be stranded.

(Message edited by boltrider on September 04, 2010)
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Christopher12
Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Will check asap.

Thanks guys

Christopher
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