| Author | Message | ||
     Luxor |
"And a short term one, at that. See, here's the myth: the money stays in America - in the hands of very few. Here's the problem: very little is put back in to the community base because it's in the hands of the few. However, the money transfer, by consumption or by taxes, won't be happening. Very little gets to the infrastructure, fire, police, roads, etc. Now you have to travel further and spend more on essentials because the community support is gone." So, I guess employing 15 people here generates less tax revenue then 4? If I were producing a product that takes 100 workers to build, and using 5 to sell it your argument works. In my case I am producing a product that takes a molding machine to build and using 15 people to sell it. There is no such thing as black and white in this world, my point is that in some cases being made in china isn't a bad thing. | ||
| Court |
>>>>>>>red wings aren't made in the u.s.a any more I said I'd check and I did. The above statement is PATENTLY INACCURATE. I wrote the nice folks at Red Wing and received the following response within 10 minutes.
What concerns me is that I read so much inaccurate information lately ranging from what comes to China to Buell legal agreements. Folks seem to be suffering from an increasing propensity to read something some kid typed on the internet and accept it as unchallenged fact. Call me when you get back to the American Made t-shirt question. That's one of my perennial favorites. Court | ||
| Court |
>>>>>ONE MORE THING, ERIK BUELL IS NOT A REPUBLICAN  I'm dying to ask the source of that sweeping statement . . . but let's just leave it at that. I'm also curious about your "there are no American can factories in China". I think there is one huge factory that you'd quickly recognize. | ||
| Slaughter |
Spend/buy LOCAL, support LOCAL LABOR: Beer Chicken Wings Strippers/pole dancers | ||
| Brightbuell |
It doesnt matter anyway i have changed my stance, do to populer Republican demand i am going to buy Chinese from now on. I dont want to screw up your plans. I love China!!!!!!! Chinese products are superior and are more cost affective for America. Like Republicans i now only care about stuffing my pockets so why should i spend a few more $ on American when I can spend less. I was wrong and Republicans win!!!! BUY Chinese!!!!!!!! Buy chinese!!!!!! Dont buy American!!! I will reteach my kids starting today. I dont care any more. I really dont! i did my best and most people in this country dont care so ive lost my mojo. I am only concerned with myself and what happens in my house not my neiborhood, not my city, not my state, not my country. Screw you all!. We are all Doomed!!!!! (Message edited by brightbuell on August 10, 2010) (Message edited by brightbuell on August 10, 2010) | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
wow ok  | ||
| Obiewan |
Brightbuell, is Prozac or Abilify made in China, or maybe Tokyo.... Actually, here is a link that has it at 10% discount.. http://greatpillsonline.com/abilify.html I had to do that. I'm just joking, trying to lighten up the subject a little. Sorry Bright, and whoever else could be offended, but I had to do that. LOL.. Good ole "American Humor" ..  | ||
| Froggy |
Interesting, since China is one of GM's fastest growing markets. http://www.gmchina.com/ Whats funny is GM is selling more cars in China than the US now. http://247wallst.com/2010/07/02/gm-china-sales-top -us-for-first-time/ But what do I know, I have only been closely following the auto industry for years.... | ||
| Brightbuell |
The world market is a beautiful thing. | ||
| Brightbuell |
The conversation did get off track from a great idea to a million little diff points not related to shipping jobs to china. i never said selling Cars to china was bad. now I do believe it ok to stop buying american and start buying chinese. I am not going to look at america diff then china or even capitolize it. america is just one of many countries, we are not on top anymore we are not the best at much of anything and im not going to fight for a loser attitude. we as americans dont care. We let it go to our heads that we were great at everthing and we fell. We are fat asses. I weight 165 at 6/2, but most of us are fat lazy slobs. look at that post where the fat ass just wrecked his crappy made harley. That guy is not safe in a truck much less a bike if he cant controll his weight how can he controll a bike. he needs to be on an exorsize bike. I love my china made wheels. our people have no ability to stick to a subject. Americans can no longer pay atention. Bunch of ADD pill poping fat hillbilly retards. Im part of it. My brother is a fat layze slob too. I now realize the only thing I have in common with many of you here is my bike, and it makes me sad. I thought with all my heart that shipping american jobs over sea's was a bad thing, only two people agree with that. Im confused but it must not be bad. I will keep the rest of my posts about buells or funny stuff related to bikes. I made a mistake, I was wrong about you people. I was wrong about america. I am not trying to hurt feeling about being fat im just calling it like it is. Most american bikes suck and so do our cars, but I love my Buell and i will never sell it. With how I feel about our country now its a good thing its not completely made in america or i probly would sell it. (Message edited by brightbuell on August 10, 2010) (Message edited by brightbuell on August 10, 2010) | ||
| Slaughter |
I forgot PORN! (domestically produced, of course) | ||
| Xbgeorge |
Brightbuell, I believe most people agreed with you. I don't believe anybody from the USA wants America to be second best. From reading all these posts, I don't understand your reaction at all. You started a discussion and people responded. That is what happens on internet forums. I try to buy items from the US, but it is getting harder to find such items at a fair price. From an informational aspect, check this out: There is such a labor shortage in China that you could take every single job from the US and give them to China and they would still have a labor shortage. That is why it is so cheap. | ||
| Obiewan |
Brightbuell, I have to say,------- I have changed my mind about you, I can tell you are a true American. I challenge any of you to reply differently--------ANY OF YOU. Critique my spelling and etiquette as you have his, try to make that the topic of debut/conversation if you wish. The bottom line is; the context of the original topic...........Like BrightBuell has tried to convey, with absolutely no support from any of us. I have, decided to support him ....................yes, I joked with him, but after reading all his post. I now know where he is coming from...... America Rules!  | ||
| Luxor |
I need to say that even though I have a small product being made in China, Brightbuell's original post holds credence. A product that takes a valid number of American jobs should be boycotted. Not just China, ANY country other then the USA. Something that has been chapping my hide is the fact that Airbus, a criminal consortium of European countries even has the opportunity to bid on the next U.S. military air tanker. WTF?? We Americans build the BEST aircraft in the world PERIOD. And for OUR government to consider sending OUR money over seas pisses me off to no end. This should have NEVER even been considered. Anyway, Yes, I buy American every chance I get. I will pay more knowing that I will get a superior product. And as soon as we can afford to bring production here we will. | ||
| Mpolans |
And that's the part I was really getting at. Singling out China isn't the answer and being isolationist will only hurt us in the long run. Regarding the tanker, I'm not for restricting the bidding to U.S. manufacturers on protectionist grounds. Rather, I have concerns leaving national security items up to foreign countries. Luxor: "I need to say that even though I have a small product being made in China, Brightbuell's original post holds credence. A product that takes a valid number of American jobs should be boycotted. ***Not just China, ANY country other then the USA.*** Something that has been chapping my hide is the fact that Airbus, a criminal consortium of European countries even has the opportunity to bid on the next U.S. military air tanker. WTF?? We Americans build the BEST aircraft in the world PERIOD. And for OUR government to consider sending OUR money over seas pisses me off to no end. This should have NEVER even been considered."} | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
I just want to know were I can buy a modern as in (lcd, plasma, HDTV and such) made in the U.S.? | ||
| Spiderman |
Anyone here ever take a class on Macroeconomics? | ||
| Froggy |
Unfortunately you can't. Due to the hazardous chemicals and contents of modern electronics, it would cost a fortune to build it here and remain EPA compliant. Not that it can't be done, but it would easily cost 10 times as much. | ||
| Murf2 |
Spiderman, I took a class in macrame but I don't see how that will help here.  Murf2 | ||
| Iamarchangel |
The problem is not really where a product is made. The problem is lopsided trade. Basically, NA has opened their doors to other countries' imports that have remained closed to NA's exports. The ratio of trade to Korea, for example, is $400 to $1. They get far more dollars selling to NA than NA gets in return. If the trade was even, both would profit. Somebody already mentioned the Chinese, Japanese and Korean money being fixed relative to the US dollar. That means those countries will always be in more profitable position than the US. Somebody else can research this, Toyota makes more money on the money market than they do selling cars. Court can research this: following WW2, the US made a trade law designed to protect US industries that were helping rebuild war torn countries. The law said non-domestic liabilities would not affect domestic liabilities. It was a good law... until somebody realized it could be played backwards. US companies could claim bankruptcy in the US and still pour money into, say, Chinese plants. Consequently, while you would have to show both pockets in a bankruptcy court, industries only have to show their domestic pocket. The non-domestic gets and makes tons of money while NA plants are "shut: whatever the current phrase is" and the US economy takes a big hit. Enough macroeconomics for you? You, the US voters, can work to change that. | ||
| Mpolans |
Iamarchangel, Korean Won and Japanese Yen float (trust me, yen rate is screwing me right now). Of the three you cited, only the Chinese peg their currency to the dollar. | ||
| Brightbuell |
Well I am glad this opened some dialog, whether good or bad, its good to have this discussion. As it looks there is no simple answer. The only thing I can do is educate myself, my family and friends and try to do the best I can to do whats best for our future. Thanks for your imput now STFU. Let get back to our Buells. Have i ever told you guys how much I love my Buell. Ya know I read somewhere back in 05 or 06 that the firebolt was voted the best in cornering in some magazine. Anyone know what mag that was? | ||
| Luxor |
Brightbuell, Buell XBs were voted the best handling motorcycles of all time. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Brightbuell, Buell XBs were voted the best handling motorcycles of all time. Perhaps. But the article he refers to specifically named the Buell XB as the "Best Cornering" motorcycle. BIKE magazine September 2005 Read the full article HERE It also appeared again in 2009 when reader's were ask to rate the Top 5 Handling Motorcycles. Any conversation that includes the words "Best Handling Motorcycle" will quickly be focused on Buell. | ||
| Andymnelson |
lol:
 No wonder it won! Interestingly enough, The FB scored 154, the #2 bike 153, the #3 bike 93.3! Not only did it win, it blew away the competition! | ||
| Bumblebee |
I am a true blue card carrying patriotic American, but then reality sets in. China; why manufacture things there at all? It comes down to economy-to offer a product at a price the consumer is willing to pay. A case in point; today you can buy a great 40” LCD Flat screen Chinese made television for under $600.00, In 1965 you could buy American made television (19” color CRT) for $600 too, corrected for inflation in today’s $$$ it’s over $4000.00. Would you buy a television for $4000? I know you would, but you might only have one in the house. A second case in point; our Buell motorcycles were offered at an affordable price because many parts are sourced from China, India, and Japan as well as the USA. If all the parts were made in the USA it would be a great deal more expensive- A LOT more, if your Buell was offered at a price of $39,000 would you have bought it? The good news is that the motorcycle was assembled here by an American invested company so the workers were able to reinvest in the American economy. Basic economics. It costs a great deal less to have parts produced in China, the reason is that there is a favorable exchange rate, just about no governmental restrictions (although that’s changing fast), dirt cheap wages (no unions) no requirements to care for the workers at all. Just use ‘em like cheap tools. Chinese companies do invest a great deal in tooling to produce top quality parts and products, and if the customer is willing to get quality items, they get quality items. Send them the specs, the $$$ and when the parts arrive open the box and install them. If the buyer has done their homework the items will be perfect, as good as anything made in the USA. For the manufacturer sourcing parts from overseas sources makes perfect sen$e. There is enough "cushion" in the American economy to allow for some importation - but when items sold in America are primarily produced overseas and presented turnkey to the manufacturers - only a very small percentage of cash flow stays in the USA - and if the importer is foreign owned even a smaller percentage is plugged back into the US economy. For the American factory worker this just sucks. Jobs are lost as orders are placed over seas; our economy is shifting from an industrial society to a service economy. For Christ’s sakes they are even outsourcing call centers overseas. We can blame all this on our throw away society, cheap to buy and toss it when we are done with it. This makes products move off the shelves fast, the importers, (yesterdays manufacturers) just ship it, sell it and make as much profit (or more) than they did when it was all made in house in places like Chicago, Detroit , Milwaukee or East Troy. We have gotten ourselves into a hell-of-a-fix right now, we have a government that seems indifferent to what’s going on, and all I can say is this country is in for a rough ride no matter what. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Mpolans: my bad, notes from a few years ago. Korea was pegged up to the '80s, then freed, then fell. Japan plays a game, while not fixed, it might as well be. This will very quickly get beyond my discussion ability so this is about as far as I can go with currencies. | ||
| Obiewan |
Court, Good article, but that's not the one I saw. The one I saw rated all the bikes in the review. It also had the charts for each bike and the turn ratio. Graphed them all. See if you can find that one. It really explains it all. I'm not dissing you court, just asking for help finding it. I looked this morning for a long time and could not find that same article. I found the one you found, but that one leaves out some details. Thanks for all that you do court. Peace out. Ody | ||
| Brightbuell |
Court did find the one I was talking about and its so nice to see buell in first place. I also woiuld love to see the one your talking about with the charts. When i read all these It just makes me proud. | ||
| Aschem |
I try to never buy products from any communist country. First choice is always the USA. I will pay the additional money for an American made product. I also avoid buying products from countries that sponsor terrorism or look the other way. I wish Americans would boycott companies that move overseas, but it appears that the vast majority only care about a cheap price and nothing more. So sad. |
