| Author | Message | ||
     Ducxl |
TWO: I appreciate what you are trying to say about jobs. How do you feel about GENERAL MOTORS taking $500,000,000 of funds from the United States Stimulus and Recovery Fund and building a new plant in Mexico? That drove my decision to buy a 2010 FORD yesterday.I was STARTLED to READ on a 2011 5.0 Mustang where the "country of origin" for that 6 speed stick was............YEP...CHINA!!!! Have folks got examples of things they've recently bought where they made a "USA or foreign" decision? YEP..Last month i decided NOT to partake in the company bennie for workshoes as they're made in China.PAID $160 out of pocket for Redwings(and matching belt) instead of the 'El cheapo $40 company sponsored shoes. The next shocker came when my boss reimsursed me for 100% of my purchase.I can name more too | ||
| Court |
I'm with you on the boots. I wear, and wear out, the same Red Wings and Wesco boots for years. The last time I bought they tried to convince me that the WORX (Chinese made version) was " just as good". In fact many places don't carry the "real" Red Wing boots and kept telling me what a pain it was to order them. Like you .... I paid the price and bought the American made boots. Good example. How many flag waving "buy USA" folks do you think would choose the $160 Red Wing over the $40 Worx? | ||
| Ducxl |
How many flag waving "buy USA" folks do you think would choose the $160 Red Wing over the $40 Worx? Too few..It becomes a simple economics decision for many.It's hard to consider our fellow American laborer and his wage/well being when money is very tight.We need to be aware of the impact of too much money LEAVING our shores and not enough coming in(as in product EXPORTS). | ||
| Ustorque |
How many flag waving "buy USA" folks do you think would choose the $160 Red Wing over the $40 Worx? I do every time! I spend 99% of my time in my work boots, and I will always shell out for the U.S.A made Red Wings or Chips. the fit alone is far superior to the chinese or taiwan counterpart. | ||
| Obiewan |
Could there be a bigger plan than we think? Weaken America's economy and more people have the tendency to buy the cheaper foreign product. Hummmmmmm.. No, shame on me, they wouldn't do that! Ha. | ||
| Brightbuell |
Every time someone brings up something so simple as just do the best you can, SOME ONE always have to bring up and •••• every thing else to diguise getting it done. sOME PEOPLE dont want us to stop buying chinese. If a loud mouth could just speak for himself and do for himself and stay the •••• out of everything else this country would be a much better place. do the best you can, not do the best you can to infect my family with your 100 year old ignorance. I said there was not a debate, I said do the best you can. I did not say dont ever buy chinese, I said do the best you can. DO THE BEST YOU CAN. Tell your kids its ok to USE your mind and not to buy lead poisend toys. Its ok to pay another couple dollars to buy from America or another country that has equal trade argrements. tell them to do the bast they can. Just DO The best you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!DO THE BEST YOU CAN. ITS OK TO BUY AN AMERICAN CAR THAT HAS CHINESE PARTS, IT STILL EMPLOYED AMERICANS. ITS OK TO BUY A JAP CAR, THEY RESPECT EQUAL TRADE. JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN. iTS OK IF WE BAIL OUT AMERICAN CAR COMPAINYS, CUZ THEY PAY IT BACK WITH INTEREST, AND PROVIDE JOBS FOR AMERICANS. ITS OK IF FORD BUILDS A PLANT IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS EQUAL TRADE. THERE ARE NOT us CAR PLANTS IN cHINA. THAT IS A LIE! JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN! EDUCATE YOUR KIDS. ITS SO SIMPLE. JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN. ITS OK IF YOU OWN A CHINESE FLASHLIGHT BUT IF IT BREAKS PLEASE BUY AMERICAN OR ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HAS EQUAL TRADE. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND YOUR MIND WILL LEARN THAT ITS OK TO NOT HATE AMERICAN CAR COMPAINYS. JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF I SPELL CORRECTLY WHEN IM ON A MINI NET BOOK LAYING IN BED IN THE DARK. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY TRY TO SIDE TRACK YOU FROM COMMING TOGETHER TO STOP BUYING CHINESE, AS BEST YOU CAN. HOW I SPELL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAVING AND CREATING JOBS. ONE MORE THING, ERIK BUELL IS NOT A REPUBLICAN, SO STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE, THIS IS AN AMERICAN ISSUE. NOT A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN ISSUE. JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN. I CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR FAMILYS. LONG LIVE BUELL!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE MY FIREBOLT! (Message edited by brightbuell on August 08, 2010) (Message edited by brightbuell on August 08, 2010) | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Ha, this is one of the reasons I stopped coming to this forum: American concept of socialism. Anyway, I basically agree with Brightbuell's troubled rant. But, of course, I'd like you to buy Canadian as well. So, for the naives that keep saying it's alway been a global economy, get real. The name of "global economy" stayed the same, the rules changed. The result is that it is not the same as it has always been. As one of the few people to benefit from NAFTA, I'm in a pretty good position to see how it plays out. NA is being frozen out of the Global Economy. You're going to have to come to terms with your de-regulation position because it is your protection that is being de-regulated. | ||
| Brightbuell |
I agree 100%. | ||
| Spiderman |
You may get more support if you didn't format your posts like a 10 year old hopped up on Smarties. Just sayin'... | ||
| Im_joedirt |
88 | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Oooo, self-appointed spell-checker. That's new. | ||
| Billybob |
red wings aren't made in the u.s.a any more | ||
| Slaughter |
New Balance DOES make shoes in the USA, and of their shoes not made here or not 70% or more domestically sourced, they are so-labelled. www.newbalance.com/usa
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| Mpolans |
Brightbuell, you insist that you're not making an argument, but by posting your thoughts on an open forum you place them in the freemarket of ideas where it is inevitable that people will see them and point out the inaccuracies in your post. If you do not wish for your ideas to be critically analyzed, keep them to yourself. That said, let's go over a few things: 1. “ITS OK TO BUY A JAP CAR, THEY RESPECT EQUAL TRADE.” I love the Japanese. My mom's Japanese. I currently live in Japan. It's kind of amusing that when I ride my Buell, unlike with most bikes I've owned, most of the rice content is on top instead of inside the bike. That said, the Japanese are some of the least fair, vilest mofos around when comes to trade barriers, particularly in the auto industry. This dates back decades: http://www.allbusiness.com/transportation/motor-ve hicle-parts-manufacturing/320671-1.html 2. “THERE ARE NOT us CAR PLANTS IN cHINA. THAT IS A LIE!” No, your assertion is a lie: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive &sid=aWHbmXZFhiEs 3. “iTS OK IF WE BAIL OUT AMERICAN CAR COMPAINYS, CUZ THEY PAY IT BACK WITH INTEREST...” Actually, this isn't true either. About the only thing that could truthfully be said about it is that GM launched an *extremely* misleading national TV ad campaign about it claiming that they paid off the loan with interest implying they were no longer benefiting from government handouts when in fact, they repaid the loan amount from a taxpayer-financed escrow account held for GM at the U.S. Treasury: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/05/02 /nyt-writer-gm-repayment-company-guilty-employing- spin-and-selective-disc P.S. - The above was typed on a small netbook while lying on my couch. Please forgive me for any typos. (Message edited by mpolans on August 09, 2010) (Message edited by mpolans on August 09, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
I very often return items to the shelf if they bear a "Made in China" mark. I don't sweat the small cheap stuff, but when it comes to tools and yes boots, no "made in China" for me. Recently bought a new Miller welder. Their are plenty of cheap made in China welders at half the price. No thank you. Bought a mower recently, Troy-Built, made in America. Interestingly our Bosche washing machine is made in America. Ford F250 diesel truck, made in America. Yeah, I'm sure there are bits from China, but the truck, the engine, chassis, transmission, bodywork are not. China artificially ties the value of their currency to our dollar, so that even if the value of the dollar drops, they/China suffer no ill effect. If they allowed their currency to rise in value, their export industry would suffer significantly. Ours and all of the rest of the world's would benefit significantly. THAT is the outrage in trade with China. Their entire economy currently depends on exports, really not a good thing, and they know it. Their economic growth is unsustainable and even now is being artificually propped up through currency value manipulation in opposition to free market principles. That along with their shady quality and safety records turn me off of Chinese products. FYI RE China and superpower status. Sure they are growing very quickly, but get a load of this. Just the typical growth of the American economy, just the usual delta increase in our GDP over a year, typically exceeds the ENTIRE GDP of China, and they have over a BILLION people. Not the case during a recession obviously, but over the next year it will likely be true again. Prosperity for all is a good thing. Fair trade is too. (Message edited by blake on August 09, 2010) | ||
| Court |
>>>red wings aren't made in the u.s.a any more Interesting. I've dispatched a letter to Red Wing today asking for a "straight" answer without the "assembled with materials from" line of bullshit. I simply asked the country of origin of the materials and where the boots were constructed. Thank goodness Wesco is still an unquestioned MADE IN USA product. $700 boots can be all bad.  | ||
| Prior |
Wesco is the way to go... Totally worth the price of admission. | ||
| Rhun |
I bought a Dodge truck a few years back. Yep "buy American". It was built in Mexico and Chrysler was owned by Mercedes. humm. I used to buy Rocksport shoes. I think the first pair were made in USA. The second in Brazil. Still a good shoe. The last pair I bought were made in China, same price but killed my feet. I took them back. Not wanting to pay hard earned money for junk is not socialism as Iamarchangel eluded to. Made in America technically means it is made in USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, etc. How do you define made in USA? A company who started out in the USA? My Dodge truck was but wasn't. Assembled in USA? USA made parts from a USA company that started business as a USA company but now assembled outside of USA? Every piece manufactured here and assembled here by legal USA workers? That would make Buell not be American made. I chuckle on how Buell probably saved $50 on rims by getting them from China, then likely lost $90 on warranty repairs to replace bad bearings and the cheap hub bearing spacer. So "buy American" is pretty blurred to me. I try to buy stuff that has quality, then I try to buy from people who pay US social security taxes during any of the process. I believe US workers are at least near the top of the heap when it comes to being conscientious and productive. The workers are just saddled with the world worst management. | ||
| Aptbldr |
GDP's compared: 1) new kid on the block, USA: $14.59 Trillion US dollars at 2008 prices. 2) old upstart, China: $4.33 Trillion US dollars at 2008 prices | ||
| Poppinsexz |
Some of Danners boots are still made here. The low end/trendy stuff is foreign made though. BTW I just bought a set of New Balance shoes and I did take the time to look through the tags for the Assembled in America ones. | ||
| Brightbuell |
I did my job by making people "think", so your on your own from here. Good Luck. Just please remember to research what you buy to see if your hurting or helping your friends and your family future financial well being. Thanks Guys, Ultimately you all want whats best for your future and so do I. This was not to create division here on our buell forum but to remind people to use your mind and it worked. I hope someone reminds me to check myself if i start to forget to put the well being of my family ,friends, and neighbors above my selfish lazy actions. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
earlier in this post the question was asked who buys american over price. Well I can say I do when I can buy american over price. All day long you can buy lighters at gas stations for $.89 that are made in china or you can buy a Bic that is made in america for $1 and some change. on a bigger money difference you can go anywhere and buy a pair of sun glasses for $10 made in china but every time I buy a new pair of sunglasses I buy Oakleys which are made in america and they sell for a great deal more (my last pair was about $80). There are other instances I do this but these are just two I know for sure were I buy the more expensive option because it is made in the U.S.A. | ||
| Murf2 |
Yesir, I never thunk of this here stuff till you made me think. I'm glad we got people like you round. Who knows what I'd think bout if I wernt told what I needed to think bout. Thanks Brightbuell. Murf2 | ||
| Luxor |
This is a tough one for me. I own an R&D company with two friends. We have designed a new widget that works very well. Now the dilemma. Have it manufactured here in a union shop for $1.85 a copy with a retail of $9.95, knowing that the American labor will only see pennies of that $1.85. Or have that same product produced in China for 7 cents with the same retail of $9.95. We chose China. Why? Because with the money we saved in production we were able to put 15 Americans to work for our company instead of 4. And, if I'm not mistaken, Buell did the same thing in going out of country for certain parts. My point, it doesn't matter where it's made, what matters is who is making the most profit on the product, if Americans are making the most profit then the most money stays here. Simple macro economics. | ||
| Blake |
Heck I go so far as to try to buy as local as possible. Shiner beer and Becker wine for instance, both outstanding Texas beverage producers.  | ||
| Welderjosh |
This is a tough one for me. I own an R&D company with two friends. We have designed a new widget that works very well. Now the dilemma. Have it manufactured here in a union shop for $1.85 a copy with a retail of $9.95, knowing that the American labor will only see pennies of that $1.85. Or have that same product produced in China for 7 cents with the same retail of $9.95. We chose China. Why? Because with the money we saved in production we were able to put 15 Americans to work for our company instead of 4. And, if I'm not mistaken, Buell did the same thing in going out of country for certain parts. My point, it doesn't matter where it's made, what matters is who is making the most profit on the product, if Americans are making the most profit then the most money stays here. Simple macro economics. This is a great example of people getting all excited about buying american but not looking at the broad picture. I'm not saying this is always the case but more often than not. | ||
| Brightbuell |
Its hard to beat child labor rates. I see your point. | ||
| Blake |
Josh, I guess your "R&D company" is now a "manufacturing company"?  | ||
| Iamarchangel |
And a short term one, at that. See, here's the myth: the money stays in America - in the hands of very few. Here's the problem: very little is put back in to the community base because it's in the hands of the few. However, the money transfer, by consumption or by taxes, won't be happening. Very little gets to the infrastructure, fire, police, roads, etc. Now you have to travel further and spend more on essentials because the community support is gone. There's no such thing as "simple" macro-economics. | ||
| Luxor |
Brightbuell wrote "Its hard to beat child labor rates. I see your point." No, No child labor at all, and YES it was a concern of ours,(look at my profile to see the value I put on children). The production is an automated molding process. Believe me when I say this was NOT and easy decision. We looked at over 60 American companies for more then 2 years before it came to this. If I know for a fact that something is "made in the USA" AND the company is doing it's part to ensure their employees security I will buy American, unfortunately that is not the case a lot of the time. But if I can get 500 thousand units produced over seas and employ Americans here I will. Again, at this point, I don't care where my widget is made as long as I can put Americans to work, and keep the bulk of the money HERE. (Message edited by luxor on August 10, 2010) |
