| Author | Message | ||
     Wyckedflesh |
heh...I had a '68 510 with a built 289 V-8, and corvette rear end. Damn I miss that car. Though the most fun was my '71 521 Pick-up, banzaing through the desert with ammo cans full of front suspension pieces was a total blast! | ||
| Misato |
I miss my 72 2 dr w/ VG30T +5speed r-200 welded up AHAHAHAHAH I liked my 84 SVO too though. fun car the 5.0L Z's are fun too. rode in a fairlady with the same VG30T motor. nice. back to FORCE. IS IT HERE YET? | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
I rode in a fairlady(classic roadster not the Fairlady Z) that had a B18Vtec turbo engine in it...E TICKET PLEASE! | ||
| Misato |
ooh. that would be fun | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
and people wonder why I own a Titan....Wouldn't mind getting a Fairlady and doing that swap myself, but damn they are hard to find in decent shape. | ||
| M1combat |
There are a few up here in Prescott Wycked. Haven't seen any for sale, but I think there's a guy in town the restores old Z's. I saw an old 280 w/ a 327 in it. I assume that would be very fun. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The Fairlady is the 3 seat roadster M1. Not the Z cars. http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/intro.htm | ||
| M1combat |
There was a Fairlady Z wasn't there?? | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
yes there was a Fairlady Z but it wasn't what I was talking about. | ||
| Misato |
emailed force yesterday. cc'd all of them and my dealer. told them about there lack of service/communication. how it shouldn't take 161 days+ to fix it and send it back to me. I said send me the pipe back next week so I can get my GODDAMN bike out of the DEALERSHIP. I was very polite in the whole email, more so than I should have been. I guess I'm a little surprised that I got no response. I shouldn't be. the next one will not be so nice. I'll post the email and the whole story on every web site I can find, not to mention putting it on MY web site's www.xb9s.com and www.xb12s.com I'm fuckin tired of it. I dont even want the fuckn thing anymore, every time I look at it, it makes me SICK. its all I hear about from my riding friends also and I'm tired of being the buell/force whipping boy. I've heard every joke imaginable. its going to take quite alot to get this SHIT taste out of my mouth, not to mention my ASSRAPING | ||
| Prof_stack |
Misato Tim, you aren't holding back on us, are you? My gosh you've gotten a raw deal from Force. Sometimes being polite is what you need, but this is not that time. Go get 'em. Prof Weather is looking good for the weekend in Puyallup!  | ||
| Sammigs |
Misato, I have a XB9 head pipe and race muffler you can use until Force gets the pipe back to you. I'll ship it on Monday, and when your done with it just ship it back. At least you can ride your bike.  Let me know. Sam | ||
| Usapitbullz |
Can anyone say Class Action??? | ||
| Buellgator |
Misato obviously has the patience of a superhero. It has only been a week for me and I'm ready to tell Farce to cram it up their collective @sses. I cannot believe that they have not even attempted to call me after a whole week  . These people have the worst customer service that I have ever dealt with. Twice I have gotten the "Oh he's out of the office right now, I'll put a note on his desk to call you back" schpeil twice now, and I'm ready to spend the $600+ to get a Drummer. I'm not happy with Force if they want me to continue to promote their product they better get on the ball. | ||
| Richieg150 |
Someone metioned a class action law suite against Force,you may get help herehttp://www.bigclassaction.com/consumer_goods.html | ||
| Richieg150 |
or herehttp://www.legal-database.com/ | ||
| Court |
You have time to sue the manufactuer of a bad muffler? I envy you. My Attorney, Ann Golden here in NYC, charges $600 per hour. How much was that muffler? | ||
| Usapitbullz |
$600 per hour for an atty!  She should be sued for price gouging. Top rate Atty in the Midwest is about $200-250 Hr. I would say a letter from an attorney representing several people could get the attn of Force. And I know a letter doesn't take 1 hour to write, if you have a good atty. L8R, JM | ||
| Roc |
Court - what course of action do you suggest they take? | ||
| Dyna |
You have time to sue the manufactuer of a bad muffler? So the consumer should just stand by & allow Force to continue business as usual? Taking folks money for a defective product, not returning the money, phone calls, e-mails etc? Sometimes companies need to be Forced into compliance. Either shit or get off the pot. | ||
| Court |
>>>So the consumer should just stand by & allow Force to continue business as usual? That would be foolish. In fact, as foolish and fruitless as a lawsuit. The internet, in my opinion, has contributed to a sort of cyber mob mentality. I've long lectured heavy contractors, as a member of the DRBF, on the relative merits and costs of a variety of paths to a variety of solutions. I used to use a chart that showed a time line, with estimated costs and chronology, of the law suit process. If a person is dead right and wins, the process can take years. It's, truly, a Court of last resort. Law suits are better for stopping something than getting something. Many lawsuits, borne from the internet, tend to be more acts of personal catharthis for those bringing them. The plantiffs are often time more smitten with "teaching them a lesson" that the pursuit of equity. Courts are not entertained by being used as vehicles for ageived to promote social statements and that's the reason lots of folks, who could otherwise get what they want in the warranty process, are sent home with their noses smacked like puppies who pissed on the floor. I agree that $600 is high, this is NYC home of the "$500,000 starter home", "$3,500/mo studio apt", $85,000 secretary and where I pay $18.00 per day in tolls to pay $57.00 to park. I also have one of Kansas City's top lawyers I've dealt with for years, $250 an hour is reasonable for one of Johnson Counties top JD types. The good news, is that the lawyers who would take this case are much less. Now, on to solutions, "WHAT TO DO". Start out by reflecting on Adam Smith and the invisible hand. You are a consumer, you are the fuel that drives the greatest ecomomy in the world. Like Dorothy from Oz, you are likely well meaning, well motivated and unaware of the awesome power you wield. The $$$ you spent are yours and you had a reasonable exppectation of receiving value in return. The quid pro Bueller in that equation fell short. Without going into Blake style charts and graphs, let me suggest that the single most powerful tool you wield is to not buy from that manufacturer and to let others know. Within the world of Buell there is a powerful circle of information. The good guys love this, the bad guys hate it and HD is confused cause they can't control or quantify it. You, and that wallet in your hip pocket, can do more to right the wrong of a wanton product than any low rent Kenosha attorney. Ultimately, you'll have to forfeit the ego considerations of having made a poor choice and the need to "prove something" and confess to yourself that you acted on the best information you had at the time, it was flawed, learn from it, fix your motorcycle, go ride the Buell, and spend a few minutes in the evening reading about those who spend inordinate hours of the precious few they will stir on this Mothership, whining, moaning and suing anyone who fails to meet their contantly evolving expetations of what they deserve. To quote one of my favorite philosophers...."just go ride the motorcycle". Court | ||
| Dyna |
You, and that wallet in your hip pocket, can do more to right the wrong of a wanton product than any low rent Kenosha attorney. And I agree 100% with that, but what about the poor guys who gave their hard earned $$$ & have received basically nothing but aggravation for their trouble? I know you stated forfeit the ego considerations of having made a poor choice and the need to "prove something" and confess to yourself that you acted on the best information you had at the time, it was flawed, learn from it, and while thats easy for someone who is making the big $$$, for the poor schleps out in the world who dont have deep pockets the $600 or $1100 is a lot of money & they may not even be able to afford another pipe right now. How do those folks who were wronged by the company go about resolving the problem & either getting a new pipe or getting their $$ back? | ||
| Court |
My suspicination is that if they can not afford ANY pipe (If I were in that shape I'd 1)settle for a cheap interim pipe and 2) have not spent $1100 in the first place) I'd suspect the lawyers retainer would queer the deal. Follow the light, work with the end in mind, get want you WANT/NEED and let the fact that many are doing the same thing, slay the dragon. Court | ||
| Chainsaw |
When talking to the people at Force, I'd ask which car in the parking lot is John Force's, no threats, just ask...politely. That gets them thinking on more of a personal level, ways to making thinks right. You can always find out where he lives and picket him in his house, or his church...embarass him in front of his neighbors. Picket his shop one day a week or month. Write letters to the editors of all of the moto mags, hell the local newspaper in the town his business is located. Call the local TV station's investigative reporter, they live for this shit. Be very clear to Force, "GIVE ME MY PIPE, GIVE ME MY MONEY, OR I WILL GIVE YOU HELL" DO NOT DO NOTHING! | ||
| Dyna |
DO NOT DO NOTHING! Exactly, but if you follow the advise given here by some, you are just supposed to chalk it up to experience & say "oh well, too bad". Sorry but I refuse to go along with such a passive response. They have your $$$$ & you have either a broken product or nothing at all because you shipped it back to them. Make Force's life hell until he either gives you a new & improved pipe, your money back, or he is put out of business. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
My philosophy is that in a capitalist society buying is like voting. Each dollar spent is a ballot cast. If I think a liberal actor is an asshole, I will never pay to see his movie. If a particular merchant rips me off, I will never return. Additionally I will tell everyone I know in every format available to me of my bad experience and advise them not to "vote" for that entity. On face value one person's opinion may seem insignificant, but I believe it can make an impact - especially with the advent of the Internet. Based on what I've read here, I for one will never even consider buying a Force product, no matter how good it's supposed to be. | ||
| Chainsaw |
...I for one will never even consider buying a Force product, no matter how good it's supposed to be. DITTO! | ||
| Usapitbullz |
Law suits are better for stopping something than getting something.-->Very True! Coming from a family in the collection business, it usually cost more to get something using a lawyer than by patience. But there are times when you can't bring your trusty Louisville Slugger, that your atty might come in handy. Its almost impossible to not be victimized these days, and not have to spend money on a lawyer, it's a double edged sword. Get ripped off and have to spend more money to make it right by hiring a lawyer. Most intelligent ripoff artist know this tactic. Rip you off for 5-10K, and it will cost you almost that to get it recovered if done through the judicial system. Maybe force is one of those "Intelligent Ripoff Artist" L8R, JM | ||
| Court |
>>>...I for one will never even consider buying a Force product, no matter how good it's supposed to be. Ditto. And as a guy who spends a GREAT DEAL on motorcycles that's a very bad thing for Force. | ||
| M1combat |
"And as a guy who spends a GREAT DEAL on motorcycles that's a very bad thing for Force." I'm glad you CAN. I however will be buying a good exhaust combo. I make $963 for TWO WEEKS of my life (after taxes). If I had spent more than that on a defective part and then had been made to spend >160 days w/o that AND my $11K Buell... I would consider legal action as well. I agree that the court system is better for stopping things but what about the small claims system? I'm not exactly advocating sueing Force, but what CAN Misato do? I don't think that just voting in another direction with my wallet would be enough for me. I don't think telling all about the lack of caring from Force would be good enough for me. I wanted an exhaust that gives results. Not a bike sitting at a shop for >160 days... I'm even pissed that Misato's bike is at the shop and has a broken peice of equipment. Force needs to hurry... Has anyone forwarded this thread to them? There are a LOT of people here that have seen it. If they can remanufacture a part that doesn't break and send one to all who have broken pipes I MIGHT still buy from them, but they have some competition now........ |
