| Author | Message | ||
     Usapitbullz |
Has anyone received the newly designed system to replace the one that kept breaking? For those that sent in their broken exhaust(months ago)  Did you send in the entire system, or just lower pipe. I'm trying to figure the least painless way to get it done. L8R, JM | ||
| Shazam |
least painless? (soup nazi voice)no astro-glide for you.... | ||
| Usapitbullz |
That would mean having you bring some tools and stop by the house!  | ||
| Misato |
as I think you know, I sent EVERYTHING in Nov '03, and I still have NOTHING  | ||
| Shazam |
that would be Most painless.........  | ||
| Shazam |
Misato, I can't believe you waited 'til Nov. I sent the ENTIRE thing back on Oct.1st. I keep looky looking and guess what..............NOTHING TOO! | ||
| Shazam |
that's "six" months ago......for you one handers | ||
| Misato |
well, it was only one crack... plus I had only noticed it a few weeks before. I should have waited LONGER, until they actually shipped one out. I could have at least been polishing my frame and painting the plastic.. it was at the dealer getting some stuff done and they offered to send the pipe back for me (they had it off) and we've been waiting ever sense.. so the dealer's still got it.  | ||
| Usapitbullz |
Sam, We still need to get together at Famous Daves! L8R, JM | ||
| Richieg150 |
NEWLY REDESIGNED SYSTEM...............THERE ISNT ONE!Why redesign a new exhaust,when people still buy the old one?With a 1000$ price tag,thats when you need astroglide. | ||
| Brickcop |
Should buy the D&D and you will never have to worry about it breaking as it is made of steel. I have had my D&D on my 2003 XB9S Lightning for 6 months with the stock ecm and have zero problems with the system. | ||
| Austinrider |
Tim (Misato) I would start hollerin' for my money back by now. But then again, I live in Austin, TX and we pretty much ride year round. The dealer recently asked me if I could do with out my bike for 2 weeks while they fixed a booboo they created, I told em - sure! In january when I dont ride that much. | ||
| Glitch |
BrickCop: The Force is a whole system (whole when it's not cracked that is), the D&D is a slip on using the stock headers. That's why there is a much bigger increase in power when using a Force. It's just that Force hasn't figured out how to make a full system that stays together. Luck to all with a Force system, and luck to Force to get it right, and soon. | ||
| Tripper |
That's why I bought a WestTek system with 25,000 miles on it. Made stronger, last longer. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
well heck I'll chime in with this....drummer numbers are only 5 to 7 hp less than the force. and one hell of a lot cheaper. plus its made with hillbilly ingenuity  ok theres my 2 cents | ||
| Misato |
well, when I have already spent $1365, I dont feel much like buying anything else for it(what makes it even better is I sold ALL of the stock stuff), but I guess I will have to if I feel like, uh I don't know, maybe RIDING IT I luv the look, power and feel of the force. nothing I have heard sounds like it or looks like it.. I'm hooked on it, I can't go back to something else. its starting to get sunny around here, the more that hapens the more I get pissed. it was ok when its 30 and raining. I bought a house and moved and all of that kept be busy. But now I'm looking at an empty garage (been in an apartment for 4 yrs in downtown seattle, and kept the bike at a freinds apt in his dinning room) and I'd REALLY like to have my BIKE IN IT  | ||
| Gonen60 |
tell nallin you want your money back, and you may re-purchase when the new design is done. Have they given you any sort of new production date...it's not rocket science or brain surgery | ||
| Bubabuell |
The drummer could use some improvements in the looks department. Don't see how it can compare to the Nallin there. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
alright heres the fucking deal.... somebody stand up and hold force to there shit....they make pipes that fucking break and then they treat the customer like shit....tell me I am wrong here.....buell comes out with a wheel bearing upgrade and everyone goes ape shit. hold a company to its standards and this shit will change misato I feel for you. I was asking you to spend anymore of your money. I was just putting it out there to anybody that was gonna trust it again. and not get caught as you have. it ain't a nallin pipe it is force...don't confuse the 2. they may have camer up with dimensions but we know who manufactured it. as far as looks....maybe your right but then thats all in the eyes of the beholder. I personally don't care for the way the force looks am I biased ...no...thats my opinon as your is yours. so thats all good......but then the drummer don't break and if it did we would fix it or give the fucking money back..... I am so god dang amazed at how we don't hold aftermarket companies to the same standards... | ||
| Bubabuell |
Of course most "I like the looks of this better" statements are opinions. Relax, man. Don't be so defensive. Every time someone says they're not fond of your pipe you jump all over them in some tirade about how much better yours is over the others. And I think that's great. But some CHOOSE to purchase other pipes for various reasons. You don't have to chime in on every pipe thread. Sheesh. | ||
| Johncr250 |
What the matter Bubabuell? Getting tired of seeing Buck type DRUMMER DRUMMER DRUMMER on every single post!!! | ||
| Buckinfubba |
I never said it was better. I believe everyone should buy what they want. but force is fucking up and they damn well know it. I said on my first post as a joke about the drummer ...because someone brought up D&D. being this and that. so what I find funny is some of you hate this drummer thing ....good...if your never critizied by people well then you ain't doing nothin. I have never said nor would I that the force don't produce number it does. but when its broke and it ain't on the bike and those that are stuck six months without theor bike...... I will say all day long that , that ain't worth shit.... so heres the end of it...... oh and john I never wrote drummer drummer drummer its only called the drummer | ||
| Austinrider |
Just my opinion on this. I have never seen Buckinfubba ever say that the Drummer is the best pipe. I have never read him say that we are stupid or ignorant or whatever if we dont buy his pipe. I've spoken to Bubba a time or 2 on the phone. While he speaks redneck, hes a good guy. I think hes just asking us to hold the aftermarket manufacturers to the same high standard we hold Buell to. Now, before all the folks who have non-XB Buells jump on me for that comment. I have only owned an XB, so I dont have the history with BMC that the "old timers" (if you will) have. Brian, I agree, the price hike for the cost of the D&D is a bit crazy. I still dont regret my decision to buy one. I bought it for more than performance reasons, and I think the money was well spent. If you want to know why PM me or something. Additionally, for what folks are paying for a full exhaust system from Force/Nallin - they should expect better service and products. The only other full exhaust system that I know of which costs 1300 canoli's is the Akrapovich, and thats for a different bike all together. Misato -I really hope your ordeal with your exhaust is worked out soon. Good luck to ya brotha. Yours in Buelling, Phil | ||
| Easyflier |
The Becin system is now available from the racingmotorcyles.com site, *$1250 and a couple weeks wait. Anybody that has been around racing XBs might have already heard them, I don't think they have any kind of baffling and are probably louder than anyone would want on the street. However, they look sturdy as hell and have probably proven themselves to hold up under race conditions. *Correction, $1275 edited by easyflier on March 27, 2004 | ||
| Dyna |
I like the looks & sound of the D&D, the performance & price of the Drummer. The Force pipe is a piece of shit. Its cheaply made by a company that doesnt give a rats ass about its customers. John is a complete ass. Plus I dont think it sounds all that great, sure its loud but so what? I prefer a Buell to have a more muted powerful rumble. Leave the open pipe bark to the HD's. | ||
| Bucknut |
I too have been waiting for my Force pipe to come back since February and can't get a straight answer as to when it will be back. For the most part, the company has been good about agreeing to replace it. If I had to do it all over again would I buy the Force pipe over the other pipes out there? Probably... because it still has the best increase in performance I have seen with only bolt ons...way over the Buell race kit. Yeah, it is expensive but that jet hot coating looks sweet and the big block sound is bad-ass. The pipe saves a ton of weight over the stock set-up(which I am sure did not help the strength either) I even had to pay money for extra tuning after it came from Nallin to get it tuned right. I mean even the billion dollar car companies don't get it right the first time...I have had many recalls and tsb's on my auto...and Force is a tiny company with a small market in which to make a profit... 93.6hp...thank you very much. I have driven a stock one and it is night and day.  | ||
| Prof_stack |
Misato, don't feel too bad this weekend, raining like crazy here in Seattle (and Puyallup for you!). But seriously, you should demand a refund on the $$$$ spent on that pretty but poorly made Force pipe. The Drummer might be a quality quick fix until you get exactly what you want. Just get that XB running again!!  | ||
| Johncr250 |
Misato, Can Force give you another repaired version just to get you back on the road? Or Just have them weld up the crack in your old pipe and send it back to you. On their site they talk about testing new prototype pipe, maybe he can send you one for testing. Anything to get you back on the road, until you get this mess sorted out. | ||
| Usapitbullz |
I actually might go with the Drummer if Force doesn't get things going soon. I'am curious if Nallin would give refunds to those who asked? L8R, JM | ||
| Richieg150 |
Nallin isnt at NHRS.You can try to get your money back from Aaron at NHRS,if thats where you bought your pipe,but dont hold your breath.I dont think Aaron is going to want to part with the money,thousands of dollars, it will take to make good the exhausts they sold that broke,while within the 90 day WARRANTY period!They, NHRS, sold you the pipe,but FORCE warranties the pipe.And Forces warranty is,NO WARRANTY!If you try to talk to John at Force,he will give you a line of Bullshit on how YOU MUST HAVE INSTALLED THE PIPE INCORRECTLY,or else it wouldnt have broke.Been there done that,had that conversation myself! |
