| Author | Message | ||
     Superdavetfft |
I was fairly set on getting a Jardine after watching numerous youtube vids, I just liked the sound. However now that I've seen a post regarding how one fell apart I'd like to get a consensus on the best exhaust for the buck. I like the sound of most of them over stock but I really need a durable one. I don't want to be 1000 miles from home and have to track down a pipe!  Drummer seems to be in the lead at the moment, sounds good, retains stock appearance (for what that's worth., jack points etc... Opinions anyone? thanks! dave | ||
| Firebolt32 |
I had a Race Can on my 9R for 15k before it was totaled a month ago. Great sound and extremely durable. Wish I had the stock exhaust so I could have pulled the Can. | ||
| Captcaz |
Spec OPS ... retains the stock appearance & sounds good just like the Drummer. Both builders have very good reputations to work with and turn out a quality products. I guess it's down to personal preference on the look, and a little $$ on the price (Spec OPS less expensive I believe). Not sure if Drummer does custom ideas, but Odie at Spec OPS does (see my profile pic). | ||
| Iman501 |
I had a Race Can on my 9R for 15k before it was totaled a month ago. Great sound and extremely durable. Wish I had the stock exhaust so I could have pulled the Can I have a stock can i'd sell you, i also have the stock ECM as well if you want to buy that as well (my bike has the race ECM and race Pipe as well on it) | ||
| Sort23 |
+1 Special Ops | ||
| Firebolt32 |
Thanks Iman... Unfortunately the bike has already been hauled off to the scrap yard!  | ||
| Vospertw |
Sorry for the thread hijack, but are the stock cans compatible across all XB's? I've got an 09 Ss and would like to find a used can for drummer/spec ops/ectomy at some point. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
No worries, I was wondering the exact same thing. I found one for an XB9R up in Minneapolis craigslist $60. | ||
| 13a |
Anyone have any experience with Hawk? Sounds like the same a deal as Drummer and Special Op's only less expencive/fancy. | ||
| Froggy |
I won't voice my opinion on the Hawk as it gets several members panties in a bunch, but I will say that I feel the special ops is a better pipe. The Drummer is also nice too, but it costs more due to the billet end cap. Drummer used to make a "Econo-Drummer", it was basically the same thing minus the end cap for much less. But yea, Special Ops is the best budget pipe out there. | ||
| Its_a_buell |
Unfortunately the bike has already been hauled off to the scrap yard! dont mean to hijack, but i had an 03 with the race kit that got totalled in a rear-ender. i dropped it off at the dealer to get the damage appraisal and the insurance company scooped it up before i could get back to it to swap the race kit with the stock parts. when i called and raised hell, i was told that the "vehicle had already been processed." pretty much they already sold it at auction without giving me a chance to buy it back or snatch the goodies. i didnt even get my license plate. total B.S., i know. i said all that to say this. if you can find a race can, grab it. but i know of Jardines with thousands of miles on them with no fatigue or trouble. just a matter of personal preference really} | ||
| Briz31 |
Hi, I've had a JARDINE since 2004, never failed.. Re-Packed with Silent Sport, lasts 10x longer than the Fibreglass rubbish.. I suspect the failed Jardine's, were using the quiet insert plugs, these cause increased backpressure on the rear rivits. The pipe can't vent properly. Anyway have recently got a D&D pipe for the XB series, installing this weekend. (always wanted a D&D)  | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
Vospertw to answer your question about stock cans it is a no. The 9 cans work on 9s and the 12 cans work on 12s. the 12 has that valve in it and the 9 does not. | ||
| Vospertw |
Thanks Firebolt - any year 12 would work for my 2009? | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
I am 80% sure they will but 20% is not sure. | ||
| Vospertw |
Thanks Firebolt, appreciate the help. I ordered a parts manual so hopefully I'll be able to look at the part numbers and figure it out. | ||
| Buellxb12r425 |
Special Ops... Still has the stock jacking points and still looks somewhat like the stock muffler, has a great sound, and is about half the price of a Drummer... Dont get me wrong the drummer is a nice pipe but I didnt have the coin to spend on a Drummer at the time so I went with the Special Ops and I could not be happier. So my vote is for the Special Ops, sounds great and make some damn good power.... My $.02  | ||
| Teeps |
Make your own, I did.... By carefully removing the stock internals. Then fitting an 18" cherry bomb glasspack, inside the stock can, retaining a solid bulk head at the rear jack point and a structural partial bulk head at the front jack point. The result: sounds good, not too loud and, my seat of the pants dyno does not detect any downgrade in power or torque. Plus the modded can looks 98% stock; only under close scrutiny can the non stock welding be detected. | ||
| Union_man |
Teeps.... A detailed "how to" and pics would be nice.  | ||
| Buellkowski |
The CityX I picked up recently has an aluminum Jardine with around 8K miles on it. After reading the thread about the blown up can I inspected mine; no visible sign of stress to my untrained eye. I dispensed with the chin fairing and like how the Jardine looks naked. IIRC, it was the lightest pipe tested in American Sport Bike's shootout and makes very competitive performance gains. Mine does pop on decel, but on a strictly urban bike that simply lends more character. | ||
| Teeps |
Sorry Union man, I don't think that far ahead. Sorry but no photos... But here's what was done: I cut the muffler into three pieces remove interactive valve assembly (this is the hardest part) and it was not pretty. inlet and outlet exhaust tubes were trimmed so there was about an inch of tube remaining inside the respective end caps. (again not pretty...) the front and rear bulk heads were trimmed, plasma cutter was used, so the tubes could be removed and the Cherry Bomb fitted into the center section of the Buell can. What you want to end up with is the the CB centered in the center section and sitting on the floor. the rear bulk head is rebuilt so the rear section of the muffler is closed off from the front except for the passage through the middle of the glass pack. the front bulk head is rebuilt minimally, so the top and floor of the can are connected to the bomb so the jack point is still usable, but is effectively left open so the incoming exhaust pressurizes the chamber before the exhaust can flow through the glass pack to the rear (outlet section) of the Buell can. the exhaust then exits the muffler through the original outlet. All that is left is reattaching the front and rear pieces of the stock can, painting and installation. When done and on the bike it looks as stock; but sounds much better... here is a crude drawing of the concept.  | ||
| Sifo |
I've got about 20K on my Carbon Jardine with the Quite Tip insert. No problems so far. | ||
| Jocarr83 |
Well i don't know about anybody else's Harley/Buell dealership but i was in talking with the owner of the dealership close to me about exhaust options. He told me that he cut open his race exhaust for his XB12R and seen what was inside it and said that they could do it with a stock exhaust. He told me that they have modified several stock ones and gotten the same performance out of them as the race ones. They have had a hard time finding race exhausts in the past and have modified several stock exhausts and made them into the race versions. Since my bike is in storage at the dealership right now and i am having the race ecm and high flow air filter put on i asked him about modifying my exhaust while it is in there. He said that the last time they did it he charged they guy around $125-$150 and from the sound of what they are going to be doing to it it should closely resemble a Special OPS exhaust. | ||
| Nuerburgringer |
Don't make your own. There's more science to it than merely gutting the can or guessing on design. Without dyno testing, its gonna be hit-n-miss. Seat-of-the-pants is always gonna be biased toward mere noise. You don't say which bike you're shopping for. The Drummer LOVES the nine, only likes the twelve. Extremely durable. It sets the standard in my book. Special Ops seems to be very similar. Make sure you take a look at American Sport Bike's "XB Exhaust Shootout Test Results". That was very important research, and scientific. You can see there first-hand how the dyno charts look for well-developed mufflers versus poorly developed ones. That report puts all the research on the table for the consumer. For what its worth, you're not gonna have problems with a Jardine as long as you check the rivets once in awhile. Not as tough as a Drummer, but it absolutely loves the nine; take a look at American Sport Bike's chart. It'd be my second choice if I didn't love the Drummer so much. "I had a Race Can on my 9R for 15k before it was totaled" I had a race can on one of my nines once too. HUGE midrange hole, very aggravating. The Drummer is far less bad in that regard. (Message edited by Nuerburgringer on February 07, 2010) | ||
| Union_man |
Thanks Teeps!!! |
