| Author | Message | ||
     Mudinmyvaynes |
Is anyone buggered by this or is it just me? I was reading a deal about how the 1125RR's are for sale for like 40k a pop plus you need a race licenae to buy it. But what I'm bothered about is this, the 1125rr that won the AMA championship wasn't even street legal, not even in Poland where those "racing" Vrods were street legal while here in the US they weren't. Now I may be wrong about this but doesnt AMA clearly state that any motorbike being raced HAS to be street legal? Plus, its 2 1/2 times the displacement than the bikes it was competing against, and its torque and HP ratings were well above the other ricer bikes. To me, being un-biased about motorbike brands, was kind of rubbed the wrong way about this since it undoubtedly had the upper hand in the race whether it be in its ability to slaughter twisties or its astounding acceleration. Either way, I'm glad Buell took the title, only to get axed by HD a month later but at least they got to prove what a keystone piece of racing technology Buells can be. But should it be continued to race in the same class its in? Or should they add some weight to it or de-tune it a bit so its not so dominative? | ||
| 4cammer |
The 1125RR did not win any championship.... And the VR1000 has nothing to do with the VRod. Zero. | ||
| Nik |
But what I'm bothered about is this, the 1125rr that won the AMA championship The 1125RR didn't win any championship. It showed up for the last couple events and showed much promise. It would've (could be?) a force in 2010. Now I may be wrong about this but doesnt AMA clearly state that any motorbike being raced HAS to be street legal? Uh no, not a single bike running in AMA superbike is street legal anywhere. It has to be 'production based.' The 1125RR is a package of homolgated race only parts installed onto a production based 1125R and sold as a race ready bike for privateers. Plus, its 2 1/2 times the displacement than the bikes it was competing against, and its torque and HP ratings were well above the other ricer bikes. The 1125RR competes in Superbike against literbikes and other 1200cc v-twins. Besides the fact that no 1125 based Buell competes against bikes with a 2.5 factor displacement advantage (that would be 450cc, I guess they don't teach math in interweb trolling 101?). And no 1125 racebike has a HP advantage over the 'ricer bikes' it competes against. And it weighs more! This has been beaten to death here. (Message edited by nik on December 03, 2009) | ||
| Froggy |
Weight was added partway in the season to the 1125R (not RR), and it was already heavyer than the bikes it competed against. At the same time, the AMA reduced the minimum weight for the other bikes. This helped balance things out a bit.
The 1125's were dominative? How do you figure? I was at NJMP when Danny took the championship on his 1125R, and he wasn't in the top 3 finishers. If the 1125R was so dominate, then it would of swept the podium at every race. Another thing nobody mentions, Danny was the only racer to finish every single race for the season. Every other racer had at least one DNF, so Danny was able to keep the points advantage due to a reliable bike. I recommend you use the search to read up on this, there is TONS of thread about it  | ||
| Greg_e |
I didn't know he finished every race where none of the others made it that far. Says a lot about what happens when you tune them all the way at the complete end limit like they do to all the imports. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I still don't get this mental masterbation over the displacement of the 1125R. Comparing the displacement is little more than speculating about who has the biggest penis. The horsepower to weight ratios are what matter, and they were very close. AMA even added weight to the 1125R. Martin Cardenas and Josh Herrin were VERY close to the championship. If it hadn't been for the fact that Cardenas crashed out of several races and for his hand injury, he might have won it. He was leading the points for a while. But of course, you probably didn't even know that he was injured and didn't compete in the last race of the year. Final standings: 1 Danny Eslick 387 2 Josh Herrin 382 3 Martin Cardenas 340 Danny won by 5 points. What was that about an unfair advantage? See for yourself: http://amaproracing.com/rr/events/standings.cfm?cl ass=ds The 1125RR is based on the street legal 1125R. Buell wanted to offer the parts as a kit but AMA PRO RACING TOLD HIM TO BUILD THE 1125RR. You should do more research before you start barfing that bs all over the place. You didn't know the 1125RR was for competition in American Superbike, not Daytona Sportbike. Anyone who has even done the smallest amount of reading on the subject knows that. Unless your goal was to just be an ass and stir up shit. In that case you have been successful. | ||
| Theironmaiden22 |
Never having been in a race, is it "unglorified" to win a race like Eslick did when Cardenas busted his hand? Personally I'd be somewhat happy but bummed since the dude crashed but I guess thats what happens in racing. I'll stick to streets. | ||
| Nik |
Never having been in a race, is it "unglorified" to win a race like Eslick did when Cardenas busted his hand? Personally I'd be somewhat happy but bummed since the dude crashed but I guess thats what happens in racing. I'll stick to streets. #1 rule of racing: In order to win you have to actually finish. Rossi vs. Biaggi. | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
I would just hope I didnt crash into the bloke who just crashed ahead of me, I've had that happen to me on a dirt bike. Some little rich twerp who bought his way into racing hits his front brake going into a bank and slide out then my front tire hits his bike and airborne I went. Didn't brake anything, just wrecked my dads old Husqvarna. And the 1125RR, I'd take it over any other bike out there except a Vyrus, or a Tryphonos bike, or...one of those Marine Turbine Tech bikes that use a Allison Rolls Royce helicopter turbine. Ohhhh yeah. 1125s still look like lobsters I reckon, the ugly scavenger of the sea, except its an ugly prowler of the street. | ||
| Prowler |
Hey, who you calling ugly?..........  | ||
| Ourdee |
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| Fast1075 |
In racing there are two ways to finish...Win or Lose...2nd place is simply the last loser... Regardless of what happens or will happen at a race...there will be a race, and someone will win it...luck and skill determine who wins. Luck is defined as occupying the space where preparation and opportunity co-exist. One guy was "lucky" and one guy was not. Big check mark goes in the win column...along with the payout check. | ||
| Macbuell |
Talk about talking completely out of your ass and being totally uninformed. | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
@Prowler Sorry chum, didn't know there was a lobster rider with a screen name of Prowler out there. Best I check screen names when I give something a term next time. Say someone put signals and headlights on a 1125rr and took it on the street. Would a copper really know if its street legal or not? The exhaust would probably get ya a fine for a breach of the peace but other than that how would someone know its street-legal? | ||
| Froggy |
I also have a Lobster, and a 08 1125R  As for making it legal, the frame lacks a full VIN, so that will be the biggest hurdle. | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
oooh the f*ckin VIN, shit I totally forgot that. Say, being as I just bought my scg a month ago, the guy gave me this little Buell keycard thing, I haven't the slightest idea as to what it's for. Is it something for like dealers to scan? | ||
| Froggy |
It contains the VIN and Key Code if I recall right. Nothing special, the dealer can still order you new keys based on your VIN alone I did some thinking, you could acquire a used 1125R frame, possibly a damaged one but doesn't have a salvage title, and use that frame VIN to register the RR. I don't know how the system works in the UK, but in my part of the States, they do an annual inspection of the bike. I have never seen the guy look for a VIN on the frame and try to match the paperwork. Just saying... Or if you got a good frame with good paperwork, possibly swap the frame onto the RR. Even still to become street legal you would need to install lights and signals. The RR has a different wiring harness that lacks the extra wiring and fuses and such for this, so your probably gonna want a street harness. Next issue is the tires, those slicks got to go. I am curious what fuel they run the RR on, I do recall that the XBRR was on race gas, so its a good possibility the 1125RR is the same. It would need to be re-tuned to run on good old pump petrol, plus to make it drivable in everyday conditions instead of 24/7 at redline. Oh, the 1125RR lacks cooling fans, so don't get stuck in traffic. After you get passed those issues, I think you just got an expensive 1125R. This subject was beaten to death a few years back with the XBRR, with similar issues, but the long story short was that the XBRR wasn't a very reliable bike, so it wouldn't make a great street bike. There was one XBRR made with a street legal VIN | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
that was one hellacious post, grazie mille. Did anyone ever say how much that XBRR with the street legal VIN went for? Or if it even was sold for that matter? My guess is somewhere around 24,500£ like the 1125RR goes for. | ||
| Froggy |
It sold on eBay last winter for peanuts. | ||
| X5thxgearxfreak |
Peanuts? You mean jack shit? Or a ton of quid? I can't see something like an XBRR going for not very much, more like very very much. | ||
| Smoke |
a couple of xbrr's have been offered recently for between $8500-$12500 with them being on ebay. i know the 8500 one was sold. another was offered for sale in the BW classifieds for reasonable money. tim | ||
| Froggy |
I don't remember the actual dollar figure on the street legal one, but it was a hell of a lot cheaper than a brand new one. | ||
| Theironmaiden22 |
Thats it?! Crud, I'd have bought one of those instead of my scg. Probably wouldn't be as reliable but I could be wrong. It'd just be a bitch having to buy race fuel to run it so I would have some work done to make it run off of regular V-power 91 octane. |
