| Author | Message | ||
     Pogue_mahone |
damn he looks CRUSHED your dream is alive and you can come back from this. dont give up. | ||
| Greg_e |
Problem is... Who owns the technologies? I bet once Harley bought major stakes in the Buell company and took it over, all the intellectual property went with it. Otherwise he could have taken things elswere, the only things lost would have been the Sportster based engine, get a retrofit Rotax to stick in there and would have had one heck of a modifications market. But I bet Harley owns the technology and ideas behind all of the Buell machines and they are just going to sit on it and screw all of us. | ||
| Wardamneagle |
Hopefully he will find a way to pull it out. He seems to be able to deal with adversity very well. | ||
| Biggie |
Actually EB owns all the patents on the tech. Fuel frame,swingarm...I'm sure there's others also | ||
| Avc8130 |
Buell Motor Company is listed as the "Assignee" on most. HD owns BMC. HD owns intellectual property. It was all developed and sponsored under their funding. Sorry. HD isn't STUPID. ac | ||
| Hughlysses |
Actually EB owns all the patents on the tech. Fuel frame,swingarm...I'm sure there's others also According to the patents, the "assignee" is either "Buell Motor Company" (older patents) or "Buell Motorcycle Company" (more recent patents). AFAIK, that means they belong to the company and therefore to HD. If there's not a way around that, it's really going to suck. | ||
| Avc8130 |
A few even say Harley Davidson Motor Company directly. This is how it works. He was PAID To develop these innovations for the company...not for himself. ac | ||
| Greg_e |
Yup, that's how most companies work. The designers are working for the company and the company owns all intellectual properties. But if a company approaches them to license/purchase outright certain technologies, that might save us. Everyone contact Fischer and see if they will take up the challenge since it looks as if Erik will stay on in some fashion at Harley, though I find it hard to believe they will allow him to be as innovative as he was with Buell. | ||
| Roysbuell |
Harley-Davidson being an American company should give Buell a chance to make it on their own. Give them the patents or at least the option of buying them. Harley could specify that Buell at no point in the future could make a cruiser type motorcycle. Someone in the market for a sportbike will not settle on a cruiser, so it will not be direct competition for Harley. I hope Harley does the patriotic thing. | ||
| Thulsadoom |
I say •••• it and go work for Aprilia. I haven't seen a single Aprilia that I thought was sexy like the Ducatis and MVs. Aprilias work and so do Buells. No flash, just right. Does this even make sense? •••• it... | ||
| Greg_e |
I'm sure if the correct amount of money was offered that HD would sell all technology for these cycles except for the engines, and that of course doesn't apply to the 1125 engine since it is a Rotax. I'm fairly sure that if Rotax wanted to fit the smaller 9XX cc engine in the frame that they could find a way to make it work, even if you needed to buy a new swingarm to go with it. And I'm fairly sure that some people would buy it as an upgrade to existing machines, especially if it was water cooled. | ||
| Jos51700 |
Patents are owned by the company. | ||
| Toomanyhobbies |
It doesn't matter who patents what. after a certain amount of time, anybody can "emulate" any technology, without copyright infringement. It is set up so that no company can run a monopoly. I don't know what the period is but eventually Erik can use any Buell technology as long as he doesn't copy the plans verbatim. I'm not a corporate lawyer or lawyer in general but that is my understanding as someone who has filed for patent and copyright protection. Basically, technology is treated different than music or literature. | ||
| Greg_e |
Last time I checked patents ran for 7 years with an option to renew for something like another 25 years, but I could be wrong. If I'm right it will be a long damn time to wait for someone else to be able to build the XB frame. The patents was probably generic enough that it would be difficult to build any other frame/tank type of 2 wheeled vehicle without proving that the previous patent was too generic. It's a game for lawyers. They shot for the most generic description possible in order to block anything that could be at all similar until it is challenged and has to be altered for more specifics. | ||
| Vtwinbuell |
The time limit is usually 15 or 17 years depending on the type of patent. | ||
| Brumbear |
who gives a shit that doesn't seem to stop alot of the other shitbirds from coping buell look at the underslung exhausts now out so do a 3/4 perimeter brake and fuel under the seat fuel tanks I would still buy a buell •••• Hardley yuppieson | ||
| Rangeridn |
The IP is an asset...whoever owns it can sell it, license it or stick it all through the shredder if they feel like it. Think about it - what does it benefit HOG shareholders for HOG to sit on assets it has little use for, that have value and apply to a different market space. Any institutional shareholder will raise a holy stink if HOG doesn't try an maximize on the potential value of these assets - and that value isn't going up the longer they sit. I expect something is going to happen... | ||
| Rangeridn |
Given the Buell line doesn't compete directly with the HOG lineup I would expect HOG would be hard pressed to justify not selling the assets including IP for a reasonable offer (it wouldn't be in the interest of shareholders - which is their primary responsibility). In terms of the HOG engines...if HOG is so inclined it can license/supply the technology to next incarnation of Buell or not. If not, expect a different power plant going forward. |
