| Author | Message | ||
     Ramm |
So I went and did some pretty hard riding this weekend. I was following a few other guys, I got a little behind (stuck behind some cruisers) so I was playing catch up. I was running a little harder than I should have been, but anyways...I entered the turn hot and got my lean on, well in the middle of the turn there was a dip. My suspension compressed and my peg and foot hit the road. Now my question. Is this a suspension issue, rider issue, or just does it happen? Needless to say it scared the hell out of me. | ||
| Andymnelson |
bad, because it means you were not hanging off your bike far enough  nothing to worry about, but if you want to improve form watch some videos and tutorials and such from the pros. | ||
| Delta_one |
as far as I know it just happens, try to keep the bike more upright by leaning off of it and it should help prevent it in the future. I keep my feelers on just for things like that, they stick out far enough to help keep my boots off the tarmac. | ||
| Juniorkirk |
Your bike is made to lean that far. i've dragged my peg running on pilot roads (harder compound tire). | ||
| Firstfamily |
A little peg dragging never hurt anyone, just means you were getting into those corners pretty good. | ||
| Poppinsexz |
The suspension did exactly what it was supposed to do. It absorbed the hole and the rise while maintaining the bike at a level position. As the suspension compressed while you were coming out of the dip the bike was momentarily lower to the ground causing peg hit. If it didn't, you would have gone airborne.... Can scare the hell out of you though. | ||
| Ramm |
Thanks for the responses, it was definitely a pucker moment  | ||
| Delta_one |
I hate it when my toe snags the road! but the tires tracked and you made a corner exit while still mounted on the bike. I would say fair game. but I forgot I also made a switch to the traction pegs because they are like the R pegs and don't drop. I was able to pick up another few degrees of lean before dragging anything. if you keep up this kind of riding maybe think about loosing the stock drop pegs. my .02 | ||
| Ramm |
Thanks Delta, may give those pegs a try. | ||
| Nextcorner |
I'm assuming that the spikes on the bottom of the pegs rubbed..? Consider it a warning that there isn't a whole lot of leaning left once your that far. The first time my pegs hit the pavement were at my first track day. High speed turn at 90-95 mph. That scared the crap outta me! If you had the bike leaned over that far and hit a dip that caused that much movement in the suspension, I would say you've got some good confidence and riding skills as well. Suspension Issue? Seems to have done it's job. Rider Issue? Seems to have done his job. Just Happens? It should, it's a Buell. | ||
| Slaughter |
Opinions may vary but my PERSONAL opinion would be to unscrew the pegs from the foot pegs. It is almost SHOCKING when they drag. If you wear riding boots, they have toe sliders that tolerate the occasional contact with pavement. I think the LEGAL departments of moto-companies make them put those "ground feelers" on the $&%^-ing pegs. YMMV | ||
| Delta_one |
If you cant get the traction look for some R pegs, they are the same thing minus the rubber. and my boots don't have toe sliders  but my next set will. when the sole catches its a startling feeling because it pulls your foot back and nearly off the peg. toe slider boots here I come!! | ||
| Hex |
+1 Slaughter! That was my first performance mod on the 12R. I got the bike, rode a few miles, pitched those suckers! Now if your grinding the underside of the foot-peg and your boot, you might be nearing the edge of stability, and too fast for street riding, IMO. In 20K miles of spirited street riding, I've stood it up once in a corner (see the very end of Torque's video of that, not where you want to end up on the other side of the road, I was getting tired) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWWWAEhorcA I also "pushed" the front end twice. Once over a diagonal and misaligned crack in the tarmac, and the other over a pebble. Both near apex. Those are pucker moments too! For a split second, you'll wonder if the front wheel is going to catch traction again, so far, THANKS ERIK BUELL!!!! Your bike works well. I think you might want to increase your spring tension in both the front and rear slightly (1/4 turn clockwise with the hex on the fork tops, and 1 click tighter on the rear). Then take it easy until you learn your new bike. | ||
| Xl_cheese |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Le2UrLsKmc | ||
| Randomchaos |
I also like this video for body positioning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxODoscChNo | ||
| Jraice |
+1 the fact that you were that leaned over and didnt have any traction issues is a good sign that the suspension is good, could go a bit stiffer but I'd make sure it wont hurt you (talk to a tuner etc...). I have never dragged peg and I ride pretty hard but then again I hang off the bike about half a butt cheek, basically what Randomchaos' video shows. If your dragging pegs without hitting a bump I'd say you really need to work on your body positioning because these bikes have something like 48-52 degrees of lean before they drag and thats an awful lot (MotoGP guys are 60 plus) for the street. But if your only hitting in bumps and it didnt bother you TO much your probably fine. Doesnt hurt to work on body positioning though, even when I dont need it for clearance I feel better and more confident hanging off a bit, especially on turns I dont know. | ||
| Ourdee |
The bike is not for sitting. Start hanging off a little. | ||
| Ramm |
Yeah, I am working on body positioning now. I went out and hit a little road down by me today a couple of times. Sorry I wasn't a bit more specific, it was the feeler that hit the ground, and my foot bounced a little and caught the outside. Just a little scuff, nothing major. Thanks for all the advice btw, glad it didn't turn into a flame war. Just trying to improve my riding. I know I need to do a track day but I just don't have the time or money right now. Keep spending it on stupid crap lol. | ||
| Jraice |
While I really want to get to a track day to work on my cornering and get leaned over a good bit more you can still learn a LOT about body positioning on the streets. Takes a while but I have learned a LOT. Baby steps, first I got used to moving my upper body over then eventually started moving my butt over more and more. My last big step was getting comfortable with my hips opened (inside knee sticking out) as I normally liked to keep my knee's hugging the tank but then my upper body faced the wrong way and I wasnt locked in as well, I was sorta just hanging my behind off (crossed up). Just this weekend I got really comfortable with full knee extension and it feels GREAT. My next step is to work on my body positioning at lower speeds (less force to keep you on bike and the bike is less stable) and bumpy roads... well rather, the combination of them both. | ||
| Court |
Do me a favor and take a close look at the peg . . . .inspect it carefully for fractures. If there is any doubt, replace it . . . what's more disconcerting is to stand up on a peg and have it snap. | ||
| Ramm |
I actually did that about 1 minute after it happened. I heard the OEM's were pretty fragile so I was in full panic mode when it happened. I was about...ohhhhh 150+ miles from my house, wouldn't have been good if it snapped. | ||
| Court |
Do me a favor . . . do it again with the handle of a hammer . . . you know what I mean . . don't crack it like you're trying to break it but give it a whack and LISTEN closely. | ||
| Jraice |
American Sport Bike has some replacement pegs that will be a lot harder to drag, and much stronger. Oh and is this an R or an S? | ||
| Randomchaos |
Cant remember if I posted these in another thread but, here is my body position, at least about 2 minutes before my gravel, oh shit, sky ground sky ground incident  Notice the peg is farther away from the ground than the knee. I was using S pegs as well.  and a video to see the positioning from the backside. http://www.vimeo.com/6137955 | ||
| Jraice |
Looking good! My position is similar, maybe a bit less butt off the seat and not as much extension of the knee, working on the flexibility for that. Is that a dragging knee in pic two? | ||
| Randomchaos |
I think I might of been dragging a knee when that picture was taken. I know I definitely did drag it some in that corner. | ||
| Ramm |
Jraice, it is an S. | ||
| Jraice |
Ramm, that makes sense then. I'd be a bit more worried about suspension setup and how hard you were riding if it were an R, those pegs are a lot harder to drag then the S pegs... | ||
| Hex |
Ramm, Looking at your profile pic, I think body position needs to be practiced. If I were in a corner like that, my bike would be at less of an angle and my body would be at more of an angle, and lower. I would lead that corner with my right shoulder as the focus. You seem to have your head in the plane of the wheels, when it should be inside that plane, along with your shoulders, butt, and knee out more towards the ground. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
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