| Author | Message | ||
     Jake318 |
First off you have to LOVE your Buell ( I have new leftover 2007 XB12R Firebolt yellow/ black )to have to patience to find all the parts scattered over the world . Then start with a PILE of money lol. After you break out the credit card call Dan at NRHS , for 1420cc kit with AXTEL cylinders purchase the stage 3 ported head option with 2inch stainless steel valves with racing valve springs, retainers ect , forged roller rockers ,forged adjustable pushrods and covers, forged wisco 11:1 compression dish pistons rollers pins rings and a dozen other motor parts im missing in kit ( the works lol) Next is the hardest part ... find a HD dealer that can build a race motor , not just hang chrome ( look for race team ) To open the BIG valves get the red shift 630/ 585 split timing race cams for 2k to 7k power and torque . Keeps within the sportster engines redline . Since the HD dealer has a race team they get you the Buell factory adjustable race EFI tuner , racing fuel injectors from XBRR and 450cfm fuel regulator so you can get enough fuel/air to the motor . Not forgeting first to send throttle bodies to BF gerolomy to have them bored to 52mm and for more air also get the no restiction intake unit(with Ram air , airbox cover) from Adrenlin Moto in england. To cool all this horsepower down you have to call on Al at American sportbike . You get to know him well by the time the project is done lol. for right air scoop . Across the pond , Twins sels a GREAT 19 row oil cooler / left air scoop that keeps the temps at 175 for normal riding and 200-220 when racing . Also at twins they have racing headers(only in europe?) in 48mm. For the can I used a custom made ss drummer ( great job Kevin!! who's a member here ) that is a must for the engine size and power . Twins and Adrenalin Moto have large racing cans, but Kevins is better with the bike sounding like a big block chevy lol . For chassis the GPR steering damper is a must. Do to the 52mm wheelbase and 21 degree rake. And for the forks the Traxxion gas charged cartridge units are the best on the market , even better than the Ohlins forks. The rear shock is the latest 8997? 16 click unit( custom made to your weight) ADrenlin now sells all the carbon bits so fenders , frame covers ( makes bike look like GP Bike !!) chain guards and the lot can all be purchased in one spot , Additionally the racing tail section which is solo and higher. (so you take off rear pegs and bars. Good weight reduction and looks good also you don't slide off back during acceleration lol) racing tail section fits the stock undertail (carbon fiber also )shape. Which in turn goes with the Ram air intake box (also adrenlin who has items delivered painted to match you bike ) Front brakes are the Carbonized wave rotors with 8 pot calipers , rears changed to brembo 4 pot calipers both units braided lines .. Odd bits are CRG adustable levers, Rizano billet aluminum small pulley covers (looks great!!) rizano rearsets, grips, bar weights and double bubble windscreen. lasly the tires are Dunlop 190/55 zr duel compound . ...... Was it all worth it ?... YES... it worth twice the price seeing the look of a Busa, zx14, GSXR1000 and especialy a Ducati 1098 rider when you beat him in speed and handling with a Harley motored Buell that sounds like a big block chevy but looks like a half faired GP bike. I've actually had a few riders get off their bike to look at motor ( cant see its a Harley, pipes, scoops coolers etc ) because they cant believe its a harley motor.... Before you say I'm Buell biased , I do own a new 2007 kawasaki zx10( leftover ) My buddies own a GSXR1000 , A ZX14 and a CB1000RR. They are now Buell Fans and want to trade their bikes for my 1125R .Well, they want the firebolt but thats out of the question lol. 2010 im getting the KTM RC8R using my 883 iron as trade in . Ill give a report on that if you guys dont throw me off here as a traitor lol....Jake ..... PS... yes ill post pics if I can figure out how to do so Blake edited to convert from 1 to 14 paragraphs along with some spelling and caps editing. Happy to do it. (Message edited by blake on August 28, 2009) | ||
| Jake318 |
I forgot an important part of build( maybe more I am tired lol), I had millenium technologies beef up and balance crank to new 1420cc displacement . Also installed oil catch can from american sportbike . Jake | ||
| Zatco81 |
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| Rubberdown |
Sounds sweet! Please continue. | ||
| Ramm |
Press the enter key sometimes! and we need video!  | ||
| Jake318 |
Thank you Rubber . Ram sorry for the grammar I was running on insomnia last night . BUT no video, too much of a pain in the A$$. I havnt even had time to learn how to do pics yet . Too many things to do in real life to start learing to be a computer geek. Wine , women and song are higher on the priority list lol. BTW the ZX10 and other modern superbikes do have more top end . After say , 1/4 mile I can see them creeping up on me in the rearviews . I put ALOT of money into the bike to attain the extra speed . I just tell myself its not as much as a Ducati 1098 Bayliss lol. Jake | ||
| Bads1 |
A busa,ZX 10,or a Gixxer 1000 will stomp your 12. Sorry over the years I've seen many engines built by Aaron and Dan also Brian at Revolution Performance. Your bike will not stand a chance against the bikes stated above. I will give you though that the build was done well and it has delivered a smile ear to ear on your face. But it isn't a close to 9 second cycle | ||
| Rsh |
Doing a build like that was the way to go a few years back before the 1125 was released, even with all that work it is not nearly the platform a 1125 is or can be. Yes you have something almost unique, but times have changed. Your time and money would have been better spent elsewhere. | ||
| Buelltroll |
" How to Make a 2007 firebolt XB12R faster and better handling than a kaw zx14 -10 and gsxr1000 " Throw it out of a plane  | ||
| Biggie |
Bads1 I like your bike and I see you have been buellin for quite some time But what I can't understand is when someone posts stuff they have worked very hard on and are clearly Proud of you only tend to want to burst their bubble or just be downright negative.I have noticed this on many posts and please dont waste your time telling me to post proof links just look at some of your recent posts. Jake318 I am actually looking at getting a iron883 how do you like yours pros/cons? I also want to say PLEASE post some pics for me to drool over of your build. Next to where it says "preview/post is the upload button.if your pics are to big I would either resize but if your not ALL into photo tech stuff.I would recomend opening a photobucket account.You just upload photos their then copy the image link and paste it directly in this section. Waiting impatiently for pics.....:-) | ||
| Zatco81 |
I've noticed the same in Bads1. The thread on clear coating plastics is a recent example. He's spent a lot of time and money on his bike, let him be proud of it. Who cares if it isn't as fast as those other bikes or if it is. It sounds like well executed mods and he's deffinately got a unique bike, which is the reason a lot of people ride Buells in the first place. Yeah he could have spent the same money or less on an 1125 but it'd just be another 1125, same goes for the jap bikes listed. Also impatiently waiting for pics. | ||
| Biff |
actually... I don't care about the pics. SURE, I would like to see them... But a timeslip will shut up a lot of people (me included). Lets see a slip please. K,thanks. | ||
| Froggy |
My bone stock 25rwhp Blast has no problem keeping up in the twisties. | ||
| Zatco81 |
As I clicked submit on my previous post I was thinking some timeslips and dyno sheets would be a great addition to the pics. | ||
| Delta_one |
well Ill just go with forged and molly internals and NO2 for my little bitty 9. I would love to go 1050 axtell but I don't have the pile of money LOL. people don't build things like this because they want to be faster than the other guy at his game, they do it for the love of the bike they are building. he says it in his fist sentence, First off you have to LOVE your Buell why is it so hard for some people to get? build your bike the way you want it. he didn't say he will out run a built ZX-14 forever but I bet he holds them off for a while. dollar for dollar a ZX-14 will be faster in the 1/4 mile and most certainly a one mile just like a Bagger will carry more stuff. he talked about handling and power, a moderately open course is tough on a stock Buell against a modern liter bike. Kudos to you for doing your own build and making the bike YOU will love.  (Message edited by delta_one on August 28, 2009) | ||
| No_rice |
well Ill just go with forged and molly internals and NO2 for my little bitty 9. your going to run nitrogen dioxide injection? make sure you wear a respirator! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide lol. and it is impossiable to out run any of those bikes, even on an 1125r. just ask anyone. (except anyone at blackhawk and all the racers that were at blackhawk, except the 3 i couldnt get around, after homecoming that were getting outrun by a bone stock one over and over and over) (yes even a few thousand gsxr's, and some of which were ridden by the coaches) | ||
| Bads1 |
Biggie, No bash at all. I clearly stated that he has a smile ear to ear. But like you said I've been buell'n along time.... seen alot of builds.... since 99 to be exact. Still need to see a street reliable Buell run with or beat a Busa or Gixxer. Zatco, As far as clearcoat thread.... you haven't cleared translucent parts have you??? If you did lets see them and up close. Then we will show ours.... but wait many have seen ours. Like Erik,Queenryche,and many Buellers here from this forum. I posted what I know will work. But thats another thread later. | ||
| Blake |
BadWeB recommends Revolution Performance for big bore kits. Check 'em out Delta One, they eliminate the middle-man as they produce their own state of the art nicasil lined cylinders. Their price is significantly lower than their competitions'. | ||
| Delta_one |
lol N2O rice you know what I meant... I just type too fast and don't proofread  And Blake Ill look em up right now, if I can budget a big bore this winter Ill post it for the world to see. and if not Ill just keep dreaming. Edit: I posted on the rev. board a few weeks ago and haven't heard back from them yet. (Message edited by delta_one on August 28, 2009) | ||
| Zatco81 |
Bads1, it's not what you said...it's how you said it. I'm sure that you're method worked and worked well...I seen the results. I agreed with the instructions you gave but remember...there's more than one way to skin a cat. (Message edited by zatco81 on August 28, 2009) | ||
| Bads1 |
Zatco, Sometimes typing can come off looking or sounding worse. If you heard the same exact thing from someones mouth it may not be as bad as you think. | ||
| Zatco81 |
Understood, maybe you didn't mean to sound the way you did and if you didn't I apologize for calling you out. Carry on. | ||
| Jake318 |
BAD and Biggie before i even looked up your profile I knew I would see that you had bikes that you had added cosmetic fluff, an exhaust canister and maybe a cheap upgrade filter . Before you go shooting off your mouth hiding envy and trying be a know it all show us what YOU can do . If you can afford it ( being a painter I doubt it ) go buy the new BMW S1000 I guess that would make you a race engineer ...... Yes a XB12R Can still beat the current top of the line popular Japanese/Italian superbikes if they are in stock form . It does take the BEST parts from around the world , added cubic inches , and a few factory parts . (and cash lol) Whether or not the new BMW or Aprilla can take it is yet to be seen . And YES if I Had done the same upgrades to my ZX10 it would be faster than the Buell . But that wasnt the point of the build . But then again anyone with half a brain should have figured that out. TO THE REST OF YOU HERE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMPLIMENTS . I HAVE HAD AT LEAST 20 BIKES OVER THE YEARS(JAPANESE) AND THIS IS BY FAR MY FAVORITE OF THEM ALL. IF YOU NEED ANY HELP FINDING PARTS LET ME KNOW . Jake | ||
| Zatco81 |
BAD and Biggie before i even looked up your profile I knew I would see that you had bikes that you had added cosmetic fluff, an exhaust canister and maybe a cheap upgrade filter . Before you go shooting off your mouth hiding envy and trying be a know it all show us what YOU can do . If you can afford it ( being a painter I doubt it ) That was a bit uncalled for. Dude, I never would have suck up for you if I'd known you were gonna just flame right back like that. | ||
| Jake318 |
Btw not to confuse anyone as I stated before this is a Race bike. Yes you can take it out on weekends when there is no traffic ( the motor having big cams doesnt like low rpm/ Idle ) Pics are in the camera but I just got tailpieces / ram airbox from Addrenlin . Maybe Ill do both sets of pics . So you can at least see motor set up . Cory Texer (AMA flattracker )will be riding bike next season (assa-ccs) if exsisting sponsors allow . (I have deteriating bone diesese too Much pain to race anymore )Will post lap times - results . Again Thank You . Jake | ||
| Jake318 |
Zat I like to come on here to help people and share buell motorcycle experiance being called a liar just isnt called for . If I came on here stating I had a stock firebolt with a new canister and airfilter that can edge out a zx10 -14 ect .. then there is a justifable doubt . But being the bikes been modified to the highest form possible and I have a ZX10 to compare performance with ( its new 270 miles on odometer ) it isnt doubt it just Envy . Jake | ||
| Ulynut |
Can't wait to see pics. Would love to hear it run too. | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
Jake I also would like to see pics  . I also have a few questions. 1. Have checked to see what kind of temp's you are running and what is cooling fan run time like? I can only imagine what kind of heat it produces. 2. Since it is a race bike , is there a reason you kept the compression low? I can only see it if you want to run pump gas and keep it "streetable". 3. What would you do different if you had it to do over? Thanks, Bart | ||
| Biggie |
Hey jake318 maybe before you spout off your big uneducated mouth you should read what I posted and you would see I was actually sticking up for you.If you did your reading comprehension must not be up to par and time to quit working on the bike and go to school.MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ IT AGAIN.......... Bads1 I like your bike and I see you have been buellin for quite some time But what I can't understand is when someone posts stuff they have worked very hard on and are clearly Proud of you only tend to want to burst their bubble or just be downright negative.I have noticed this on many posts and please dont waste your time telling me to post proof links just look at some of your recent posts. Jake318 I am actually looking at getting a iron883 how do you like yours pros/cons? I also want to say PLEASE post some pics for me to drool over of your build. Next to where it says "preview/post is the upload button.if your pics are to big I would either resize but if your not ALL into photo tech stuff.I would recomend opening a photobucket account.You just upload photos their then copy the image link and paste it directly in this section. Waiting impatiently for pics.....:-) | ||
| Diablobrian |
I can state from experience that 11.43:1 is about the highest compression you want to run on the street. 91 octane is acceptable in a pinch, but 93 is definitely preferable. If you are running a 12 motor or a big bore you want to run the high dome 9 style pistons to bring the compression up ti 10.5 or 11:1 if you are running street gas. My motor using a modified X1 crank, stock cams, and higher dome pistons puts down 100 rwhp and 86 ftlbs of torque using a Jardine and K&N with an open air box. There is still a lot more hp that could be liberated from this motor, but reliability would suffer and it is not a track day play thing. Hotter cams and a Drummer... maybe a wet shot of NOS...  right Tim? |
