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Hogs
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No need for a filter, Just spice/connect another hose and let it breath through that..been doing that for over four years now no problems...
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

If the breather line inhales, I could see the need.




Where is this video? Anyway, if its only exhaling, the balloon would get bigger and bigger till it bursts. When it is deflating, thats when it is sucking the air back in.
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Delta_one
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

they do breathe in too. and as of now I have a hose like Hogs, but its by the front tire and I just don't want air pressure from moving to push junk up. (mainly water and road debris from riding in the rain)
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Delta_one
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


hose
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just shot this. I don't see any air going back up the tube.
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Delta_one
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I decided that my set up was too messy so here are my refits. Ill post more pics of the cleanest looking one after install.



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Delta_one
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ourdee

at a higher RPM the balloon SHOULD stop filling; or at least slow at this point,and appear to equalize, it is in fact pulsing air in and out at this point. but yes more air is going out than in.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where is the air coming from?
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where is the air coming from?
Your engine is basically a big air pump.
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Delta_one
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

blow by
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys got it backerds. Buell designed the breather system to spit oil on the filter so it will catch more dirt. No need for K&N oil filter kit.


what do I win?
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Johnnymceldoo, It needs to put the oil on the outside of the element. In which case you got the "backerds" part right.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK, here is a start up warm. rev to 5k rpm then lower to 3k rpm and pop.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think you should run it with that pink tail of the balloon flapping around all the time. It's a trend setter!
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Miko_k
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And name the bike Baloon Knot
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had already removed the "razberry" red balloon before I reviewed the video.
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Delta one,
I was thinking of doing the same thing for my gf's Blast.
However, if you can incorporate the inlet/outlet and mount all onto the cap it would make dumping a breeze; just unscrew the bottle, empty, and replace.
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Nik
Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is the Buell system not a true PCV system? In a PCV system, air should only be flowing out of the PCV breathers, with fresh air flowing into the crankcase from a separate source of filtered air.
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Delta_one
Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

not purple

I thought of that but the hoses are so tight it wouldn't work, no room to turn the bottle upside down. I will be adding a drain to the bottom soon. but on the up side the hoses are completely out of view unless you look for them. Ill get a pic up in the next few minutes.
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Delta_one
Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)











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Delta_one
Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the "Tee" worked the best for a good clean out of sight setup. not as easy to dump as Not Purple pointed out but its large enough that it shouldn't be an issue for some time. and like I said I will be adding a dump valve to the bottom next to eliminate that issue too, and it too will be hidden.
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Metalstorm
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just installed a Drummer can. It's been on my mod list for over three years.

My engine must run pretty clean because after 80 miles of fun riding all that came out was about one table spoon of crystal clear water.

Question for all you catch can guys:

This may just be a placebo effect but the throttle response on my bike feels a little crisper now.

Can this be caused by the breather reroute?

If so I wish I had done this years ago.

I'm loving it : )
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Can this be caused by the breather reroute?




Yep, that combined with the American Sport Bike open airbox kit, I can ride down to idle, and I tend to shift before 2000rpm. : )
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Gunut75
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So Froggy......THATS how you get that great mileage!!!!!
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Delta_one
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yea I feel it too, my seat of the pants dyno says that I get into torque usable sooner than before and also can climb out of idle better (that dead spot as your engines rotating mass fights inertia and spools off of idle)
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One of the many tricks to beating the EPA fuel economy. : )
I am considering re-gearing the bike so that I run at lower RPMs at highway speeds, shes got enough torque I could be idle at 46mph and possibly net something like 80 mpg. I will do the same to my Blast and get 100+ : )

But yea, the breather mod is a must in my opinion, especially because of how easy and cheap it can be done for.
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Delta,
I think I've got the "easy off" bottle mount idea ironed out. I'm going to try something this weekend.

Froggy,
I don't know how you do it. I just can't help but twist the hell out of the throttle every time i get on my XB9S. I've never seen better than 50mpg. That's more than enough for me though.
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Metalstorm
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bike starts a whole lot easier now too.
And I know that's not a placebo effect : )

It's amazing how much condensation builds up in an engine. Especially when you live near an ocean in a fog infested area.

A Catch can is now #2 on my list of things that all my future bikes must have if I am to own them.

Heated grips are #1.

Fortunately it's a very short list containing only those two things : )
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Delta_one
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Purple
I look forward to seeing your solution, I have recently had my bottle start to come loose from the brass connector due to the tension on it. I may have devised another method too... one I get to home depot Ill let you know.

I do so love show and tell
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Pogue_mahone
Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

wanted to say:
crankcase vent is less blow by and more of the air in the crankcase gets pushed by the pistons moving up and down and makes positive pressure(then needs to vent).engine slows and air volume goes back and when engine stops it all settles back to even with outside air.
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Delta_one
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 12:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

this is true as well as rubber gaskets and other not fully sealed parts, thermal expansion etc... blow by was just easy to type and I was lazy a and since it is a contributor I stopped there
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So here's my prototype Energy Drink Catch:

The necessary components
1- 3/8" barbed hose fitting
1- 3 way barbed splitter
1- 3/8" Nut
1- washer (optional if you drill the holes correctly)
1- L Bracket or piece of flatbar bent to 90
1- Small bottled energy drink (caution contents may taste like ass)

You'll also need a 3/8" thread cutter to get the hose fitting to accept a standard nut.

I mounted this one on a blast but it could just as easy, actually easier, to mount on an XB using one of the bolts on the front of the oil cooler bracket as a mounting point

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As you can see the bottle can now be easily removed to be emptied. Easy as pie!

(Message edited by not_purple_s2 on September 04, 2009)
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