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Author Message   Gonen60 Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 03:57 pm:        speed channel 3:00 pm thursday..Formula Xtreme racing..the Buells go at it..   Coyote_xb12s Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 04:34 pm:        I heard that the Buells were not running at Daytona. Their first race is at Fontana. Here are the times from FX Qualifying: Pos. Rider Team Bike Time 1 Ben Bostrom American Honda Honda CBR600RR 1:52.800 2 Miguel Duhamel American Honda Honda CBR600RR 1:53.399 3 Vincent Haskovec Valvoline Emgo Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 1:54.213 4 Pascal Picotte Yamaha Canada Yamaha R6 1:54.297 5 Alex Gobert Erion Honda Honda CBR600RR 1:54.661 6 Jake Zemke American Honda Honda CBR600RR 1:55.990 7 Jason Pridmore Attack Kawasaki 1:56.180 8 Jacob Holden 1:56.445 Does anyone remember what the Buells have ran at Daytona?? Just wondering if they would have been in the ballpark.   Wyckedflesh Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 04:39 pm:        19. Randy Rega, Buell XB12R, 2:10.606 I would guess privateer.   Blake Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 04:54 pm:        Wow. BBoz is kicking some seriouz azz and taking no prizonerz. Buell times are not even close. Those are some seriously fast motorcycles. 1:52.8, DAH HAM!   Austinrider Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 05:04 pm:        My Friend Rodney raced his XB12 at Daytona. Said he got 4th and 6th place. That something different?   Daves Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 05:18 pm:        Is that eastern time? I'm off tomorrow so I can watch it!!! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)   Bads1 Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 05:29 pm:        Man its to bad Hal's or Kosco aren't gonna be there.Curious to what there times would have been.   Buckinfubba Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 05:30 pm:        hey look at the superstock times the slowest guys are the same times as the fastest extreme boys... ben spies is on the poll in the 1:48's damn I am glad racing season is here edited by buckinfubba on March 03, 2004   Bads1 Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 05:37 pm:        And don't ya know it Bubba   Wyckedflesh Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 06:14 pm:        preach it Bruddah!   Gonen60 Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 06:52 pm:        "confused"...why are the buells not racing Daytona ?   Wyckedflesh Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 06:58 pm:        The two "factory?" based teams weren't ready. Hal's and one other that is.   Coyote_xb12s Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 08:09 pm:        Wanna talk fast? E Boz did a 1:46.8 for provisional pole today. New record. Amazing   Imonabuss Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 08:17 pm:        Cicotto did 1:56s last year in FUSA Sportbike. I think the fastest Buells in FUSA Thunderbike(detuned to meet the power to weight requirements) this year were in the 59s. Too bad they're not doing the AMA yet. Hopefully soon, but it will be tough to run with full factory bikes with the likes of Bostrom, DuHamel, Gobert, etc...   José_quiñones Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 09:01 pm:        Formula USA Thunderbike Qualifying Times from last weekend: Thunderbike (4.0 lb/hp Limit): 1. Richie Morris, Buell X1, 2:03.537 2. Dan Bilansky, Buell XB9R, 2:04.400 3. Dave Estok, Buell XB9R, 2:04.707 4. Derek Keyes, Suzuki SV650, 2:06.057 5. Joseph Rozynski, Buell X1, 2:06.481 6. Bryan Bemisderfer, Buell XB9R, 2:06.554 7. Brian Parriott, BMW R1100S, 2:07.661 8. Nate Kern, BMW R1100S, 2:07.685 9. Kurt Miller, Buell XB9R, 2:08.124 10. Randy Rega, Buell XB12R, 2:08.433 11. Darren Danilowicz, Suzuki SV650, 2:10.149 12. Michael Mills, Suzuki SV650, 2:10.386 13. David White, Suzuki SV650, 2:10.934 14. Joey Thomas, Suzuki SV650, 2:11.774 15. Mark Hamilton, Suzuki SV650, 2:11.800 16. Jason Kosco, Buell XB9R, 2:12.295 17. Sam Rozynski, Buell X1, 2:12.477 18. Clint Brotz, Buell, 2:12.538 19. Tim Hall, Suzuki SV650, 2:12.809 20. Paul James, Buell XB12R, 2:12.956 AMA Formula Extreme Qualifying: 1. Ben Bostrom, Honda CBR600RR, 1:52.800 2. Miguel Duhamel, Honda CBR600RR, 1:53.339 3. Vincent Haskovec, Suzuki GSX-R600, 1:54.213 4. Pascal Picotte, Yamaha YZF-R6, 1:54.297 5. Alex Gobert, Honda CBR600RR, 1:54.661 6. Jake Zemke, Honda CBR600RR, 1:55.990 7. Jason Pridmore, Suzuki GSX-R600, 1:56.180 8. Jake Holden, Suzuki GSX-R600, 1:56.445 9. Jeff Wood, Yamaha YZF-R6, 1:56.687 10. Jimmy Moore, Suzuki GSX-R600, 1:57.657 11. Corey Eaton, Suzuki GSX-R600, 1:58.283 12. Frank Trombino, Yamaha YZF-R6, 1:59.538 13. Nathan Hester, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:00.061 14. Jason Smith, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:00.192 15. Perry Melneciuc, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:00.310 16. Nathan Dressman, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:02.491 17. Marcus Winfree, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:02.516 18. Adam Vella, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:05.260 112 percent of fast time: 2:06.336 DNQ. Randy Rega, Buell XB12R, 2:08.928 BMW Boxer Cup Qualifying: 1. Sebastien Legrelle, BEL, 2:03.863 2. Richard Cooper, GBR, 2:03.875 3. Gwen Gabbani, FRA, 2:04.099 4. Stephane Mertens, BEL, 2:04.138 5. Oriol Fernandez, ESP, 2:04.381 6. Brian Parriott, USA, 2:04.455 7. Markus Barth, GER, 2:05.160 8. Roberto Panichi, ITA, 2:05.437 9. Thomas Hinterreiter, AUS, 2:05.833 10. Guillaume Dietrich, FRA, 2:06.130 11. Nate Kern, USA, 2:06.203 12. Javier Valera, ESP, 2:06.354 13. Klaus Nies, GER, 2:06.566 14. Barry Burrell, GBR, 2:06.987 15. Mike Ciccotto, USA, 2:07.253 16. Dirk Buylinckx, BEL, 2:07.652 17. Ricky Orlando, USA, 2:07.687 18. Jeroen Oudeman, NED, 2:07.898 19. Greg White, USA, 2:08.028 20. Stefan Hicks, GER, 2:08.282 28. Katja Poesngen, GER, 2:09.945 edited by josé_quiñones on March 03, 2004 edited by josé_quiñones on March 04, 2004   Benm2 Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 09:13 pm:        Thought Randy's bike might have been a Thunderbike. The Buell's will have to bring more power to the table than the T-bike rules dictate to run in FX. Too bad the "factory" team wasn't ready. EBoz is flying. What a surprise, Mat's complaining. I bet Nicky misses him in MotoGP. Sure wish we had a good dose of European talent, though, to make the racing more interesting.   Bads1 Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 11:45 pm:        Thats why there not there.Talked to Kirk the owner of Hal's,he said in the bikes present state the factory based race BUELLS are about 135 rwhp and the factory 600 inlines are about 150rwhp.He said they are going to meet those numbers but they wouldn't have enough time testing the bike and getting them ready for Daytona.He then said they will be out in full force at Fontana.   Blake Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 12:48 am:        If Cicotto was able to turn 1:56's last year, he certainly would have been in the mix in FX this year. Sucks to start the season at race #2 with no points, but if they need the time to get the bikes up to speed then so be it. Interesting... Brian Parriott is 3 seconds slower in Boxer Cup qualifying than he was in Thunderbike. Must have had more power in Thunderbike?   José_quiñones Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:09 am:        quote: Interesting... Brian Parriott is 3 seconds slower in Boxer Cup qualifying than he was in Thunderbike. Must have had more power in Thunderbike? Look at the times again. FUSA Sportbike Qualifying from last October: 1. Steve Rapp (Suz GSX-R600), 1:54.014 2. Scott Greenwood (Yam YZF-R6), 1:54.036 3. Matt Wait (Yam YZF-R6), 1:54.349 4. Jeff Wood (Yam YZF-R6), 1:54.703 5. Chris Peris (Hon CBR600RR), 1:54.735 6. Lee Acree (Yam YZF-R6), 1:54.804 7. Robert Jensen (Yam YZF-R6), 1:54.976 8. Nicky Cummings (Hon CBR600RR), 1:55.943 9. Blake Young (Hon CBR600RR), 1:56.011 10. Andrew Nelson (Hon CBR600RR), 1:56.191 11. Scott Harwell (Sux GSX-R600), 1:56.309 12. Mike Himmelsbach (Suz GSX-R600), 1:56.384 13. Dave Stanton (Suz GSX-R600), 1:57.009 14. Shawn Conrad (Yam YZF-R6), 1:57.046 15. John-O Bowman (Yam YZF-R6), 1:57.204 16. Jesse Janisch (Yam YZF-R6), 1:57.294 17. Eric Wood (Buell XB9R), 1:57.606 18. Judd Greedy, 1:57.745 19. Richard Britton (Suz GSX-R600), 1:57.764 20. Michael Ciccotto (Buell XB9R), 1:57.793 FUSA Thunderbike Qualifying from Last October: The rules were 3.5 lb/hp limit last year. 1. Michael Barnes (Hon CBR600F2), 1:58.535 2. Mike Ciccotto (Buell XB9R), 1:58.936* 3. Dave Estok (Buell XB9R), 2:00.993 4. Bryan Bemisderfer (Buell XB9R), 2:01.555* 5. Dan Bilansky (Buell XB9R), 2:02.190 6. Richie Morris (Buell X1), 2:02.352 7. Darren James (Buell XB9R), 2:02.394 8. Joseph Rozynski (Buell), 2:02.961 9. Jeff Johnson (Buell), 2:04.214 10. Ed Key (Suz SV700), 2:04.376 11. Ray Bowman (Hon CBR600F2), 2:05.033 12. Nate Kern (BMW R1100S), 2:06.909 13. Walt Sipp (Buell), 2:07.231 14. Randy Rega (Buell XB9R), 2:07.608 15. Derek Keyes (Suz SV650), 2:07.656 16. Bob Shy, 2:07.883 17. Jeff Harding (Buell XB9R), 2:08.122 18. Josh Guyer (Buell XB9R), 2:08.125 19. Jerry Wood (Ducati 1000), 2:08.177 20. Michael Mills (Suz SV650), 2:08.183 * Times disallowed for being over allowable horsepower limit.   José_quiñones Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:18 am:        FUSA Sportbike Qualifying from March 2003, in the wet: Sportbike Qualifying: 1. Matt Wait, Yamaha YZF-R6, 1:59.454 2. Jack Pfeiffer, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:03.111 3. Mike Ciccotto, Buell, 2:03.316 4. Michael Himmelsbach, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:03.903 5. Martin Milanese, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:04.067 6. Chris Peris, Honda CBR600F4i, 2:04.127 7. Eric Spector, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:04.168 8. Scott Greenwood, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:04.360 9. Alex Barrera, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:05.449 10. Jonathan Gomez, 2:05.603 11. Chris Siglin, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:05.639 12. Antonio Piccioni, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:05.672 13. Jeff Wood, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:05.741 14. Nate Kern, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:05.833 15. Juan Ortiz, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:06.233 16. Jeff Binford, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:06.434 17. Andrew Nelson, Honda CBR600RR, 2:06.707 18. Eric Wood, Buell, 2:06.734 19. Gus Holcomb, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:06.746 20. Jason Smith, Kawasaki ZX-6RR, 2:06.764 21. Dave Ebben, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:06.792 22. Scott Harwell, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:07.887 23. Unknown, 2:08.170 24. Nicky Cummings, Honda CBR600F4i, 2:08.672 25. Des Conboy, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:08.725 26. Andre Bibeau, Yamaha YZF-R6, 2:08.959 27. Jason Perez, Suzuki GSX-R600, 2:09.361 28. Ryan Lettich, Kawasaki, 2:09.477 29. Nahun Alvarez, Honda CBR600, 2:09.619 30. Ty Howard, Honda CBR600RR, 2:10.179   Blake Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 12:30 pm:        JQ, What does FUSA Sportbike have to do with Brian Parriott's Thunderbike and Boxer Cup qualification times? You done gone and lost me. Man! Matt Wait must be a demon in the wet, or he was the only rider with full rain tires.   Englishman119 Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 01:46 pm:        My information is that Buell did not decide their factory teams until January this year leaving little time for Hals and Kosco to prepare for Daytona races. Also Daytona is just a big dyno – not the best territory for the XB’s and remember last year, the XB’s ran out of gas!! Sure they have more gas available in an extra tank in the tail, but its still marginal if they could make the race distance. Other than just being there and waving the flag, I’m not so sure that Daytona every featured as part of the factory plans for the 2004 season.   Blake Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 05:26 pm:        You don't have much chance in the series championship giving away all the points available in the first race.   José_quiñones Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 07:24 am:        Just pointing out that Buells were doing 1:57's in FUSA Sportbike at Daytona, not 1:56's as claimed.   Marcus_mcbain Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:05 am:        Daytona has very rarely if ever mattered in the actual championship in either series. It if did, guys like John Ashmead would have been recognizable champions rather than someone that it seems only a few appreciate. Daytona typically favors not the best or fastest team, but the team that has the package with the most development. The Ducati surge this year is not really unique, it is just there is probably more team members that actually have experience with the WSB team, etc. Marcus   Blake Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:43 am:        "Just pointing out that Buells were doing 1:57's in FUSA Sportbike at Daytona, not 1:56's as claimed." I didn't hear anyone say the Buell's "qualified" in the 1:56's. I heard someone say that Mike Cicotto had run in the 1:56's on his Buell at Daytona. Certainly you are not calling someone a liar based upon just a 1:57 qualification time. Certainly you can imagine that during the race or in practice Mike could have easily surpassed his qualification time. I still don't understand your referral to my statement about Brian Parriott's times in Thunderbike versus Boxer Cup? Marcus, Then that is good news, although with Miguel winning the opening round of the FX class, it would have been nice to get a few points on the board no?   Wyckedflesh Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 02:00 pm:        BTW Blake, you got it backwards in your post, Brian ran 2:07 in T-Bike and 2:04 in Boxercup according to the qualifying times JQ posted (march 03,2003 9:01pm post)   Blake Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 02:38 pm:        Thanks for the correction. That makes even less sense. You'd think the Thunderbike Beemer would be faster than the supposedly more stock oriented Boxer Cup bike. Must have been track conditions or lack of catching a draft. I understand that catching a good draft can make a huge difference in lap time at Daytona. I think I finally understand JQ's post now. It was a two parter, 1st part calling attention, albeit cryptically, to my transposition of the Mr. Parriott's qual times. Second part being, well, being JQ.   Wyckedflesh Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 03:36 pm:        JQ, do you happen to have the 600supersport times for last years qualifying? It would be interesting to see the difference in times between the 600SS and the FX bikes.   Blake Posted on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 05:06 pm:        How about this year's qualifying. Makes no sense. The DOT shod SS qual times are WAY faster than the slick shod FX qual times? Must be track conditions. Still disagree that the SS bikes are putting down 130 rwhp JQ? AMA Formula Xtreme Qualifying Results: Place-Rider Bike Model Lap Time 1. Ben Bostrom Honda CBR600RR 1:52.800 2. Miguel Duhamel Honda CBR600RR 1:53.339 Provisional AMA Supersport Qualifying Results: Place-Rider Bike Model Lap Time 1. Jason DiSalvo Yamaha 1:50.998* 2. Tommy Hayden Kawasaki 1:51.297 3. Roger Lee Hayden Kawasaki 1:52.236 4. Aaron Gobert Yamaha 1:52.434 5. Damon Buckmaster Yamaha 1:52.492 6. Jamie Hacking Yamaha 1:52.547 7. Ben Spies Suzuki 1:52.764 8. Michael Barnes Yamaha 1:52.909 9. Aaron Yates Suzuki 1:53.271 10. Steve Rapp Suzuki 1:53.497 11. Scott Greenwood Yamaha 1:54.046 12. Tony Meiring Kawasaki 1:54.451 13. Chris Peris Suzuki 1:54.533 14. Lee Acree Suzuki 1:55.971 15. Danny Eslick Suzuki 1:56.719 16. Jeffrey Tigert Honda 1:56.952 17. Jason Perez Yamaha 1:57.368 18. William Meyers III Yamaha 1:57.643 19. Blake Young Suzuki 1:57.731 20. Pedro Valiente Yamaha 1:57.886 *New lap record