| Author | Message | ||
     Hobbes |
I searched but couldn't find a post that said where to buy one. Most places I am seeing manuals listed 60 bucks or more! Anyone know of a cheaper place to get one from? | ||
| Slaughter |
Dealer is the source... and that price is about right. Otherwise, try ebay. That's where I've gotten service and parts manuals for my S3. Got my service and parts manuals for my XB from the dealer rather than spending weeks trying to find them online and in the want-ads or Craigslist. I just NEEDED them and could order on Monday and pick them up on Thursday. | ||
| Slaughter |
Just checked ebay for "Buell XB service manual" and there are quite a few for $48 | ||
| Juniorkirk |
Dealerships sell service manual for ~$60 and parts manuals are ~$40 | ||
| Hobbes |
Went with one off of ebay. Now it's time to buy a clutch cable | ||
| Froggy |
You can order off one of the Badweb sponsoring dealers like Precision or Liberty, most of them offer discounts. | ||
| Stevenc150 |
Free Downloadable Service manuals - Just PM me.  (Message edited by Stevenc150 on June 27, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>Free Downloadable Service manuals A more accurate description would be "stolen and pirated". It's dishonest. Simple. It is EASY to get the Genuine Buell Manuals from any dealer or you can order them from Al Lighton at American Sport Bike. Someone worked very hard to put these together and they are, bar none, the best manuals in motorcycling. I know how I'd feel if I worked all week and didn't get paid. Do the right and honest thing and don't rely on the folks from legal to run these scum bags out of business. Court By the way . . . . does anybody know anything about this Xoptiinside site? I just looked and it's packed full of pirated and "ripped" Buell material. I tried to write them but there is no mention of who they are or where. | ||
| Oxygen151 |
You can also get yours at buell xb. Court, why are you so offended by anyone who offers up someone that may not be perfectly "legal," but helpful to many buell owners. You realize that you can find just about anything for free on the internet if you look hard enough right? Do you go after all of these people too? I understand that by "stealing" these things you are hurting the people that sell them for a living and I agree that if you can buy the manual, go buy the manual. I for one was in a jam one day, and i downloaded the manual off of one of these "forbidden" sites so I could get my bike back up and running. I ordered the manual later that night. (Message edited by oxygen151 on June 27, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>You realize that you can find just about anything for free on the internet if you look hard enough right? I do realize that. I am honest. Stealing is stealing. Do you steal? Do you condone it? If so . . . how would you feel if someone gave away for fee what you do for a living. I am ashamed to see you so willing to justify stealing by saying "you can find anything on the internet". You should be ashamed of yourself. That's just my personal opinion. Others may vary. | ||
| Oxygen151 |
I am not ashamed at all. I'm not condoning stealing, however I think to sit there and try to pick out all the bad out there is just unnecessary. I think in today's time with the internet and the ease of getting something on it, that just about everyone has one time or another "stolen" something, sometimes even unknowingly. Saying you can find just about anything on this internet really wasn't justification for anything, its just a fact but take that however you please. The problem I have is the fact that you are going out of your way to try and seek out a great asset to this buell community, xopti. He has helped out hundreds, if not more, of us buellers. Obviously, you would never deal with him, but he has offered his knowledge, skills, and time to many of us. You can't please everyone, obviously, but I just feel like sometimes if you don't like something just look the other way and go on with you life. That's just my personal opinion. | ||
| Court |
It's dishonest. | ||
| Fastxb12r |
Court I totally like you but I dont understand how free downloads is hurting you.That is unless you are like a buell company worker.Dont get in such a frenzy over it and unless their hurting you I wouldnt go around harassing websites over their content.Im shure many people would not like some of the stuff posted in this site but they dont write you over it saying to take it down. I do relize you are going to say by getting all the free ones will drive up cost on those who buy but I have never seen that due to me having a free one.  "Don't worry about things that you have no control over, because you have no control over them. Don't worry about things that you have control over, because you have control over them." (Message edited by fastxb12r on June 27, 2009) | ||
| Court |
I could care less about the cost . . . . I've bought a couple motorcycles that cost over $25,000. Cost is of no concern. My honesty does not start at a certain dollar level. You suggest I don't understand "how free downloads is hurting you". I never said that. My ONLY point is . . . it's dishonest. | ||
| Fastxb12r |
But so are many other things do you question all of the dishonest things on the internet and on t.v. and life.   Really what im saying is its one of those things that will always happen whether you like it or not.If it bothers you so much just dont let people post about it here......But that will be taking away peoples freedom's so that would be a little dishonest as well also if so then how far does that go next people wont be able to say.........? (Message edited by fastxb12r on June 27, 2009) | ||
| Court |
Yes. Are you honest? EDIT: By the way . . . . I am not up for discussing this . . . I'm headed out riding. But repeat that "are you honest?" question to yourself and see how you resolve it. In my experience, few folks are capable of being honest in one area of their lives while making "little exceptions" in others. Are you honest with your children? Your wife or girlfriend? Your friends and co-workers? If someone asks me a question about Buell would it be okay if I told them a little lie to make the answer easy on me? My thoughts on this are clear. In addition, I'm old and educated and experienced enough to realize I am not capable of arguing with a dishonest person and making them honest. Discuss as you see fit. My thoughts on this are clearly set out above. (Message edited by court on June 27, 2009) | ||
| Fastxb12r |
I am very honest I say and act on what I think and feel whether others like it or not.I openly admit I like the free downloads and am a happy user of one.If buell stepped up and actually had experienced tech's available to work on my bike I could trust to do the job right I wouldnt need to have the book.If they dont like it well..... | ||
| Andymnelson |
2 thoughts: 1) I'm guessing here, but this is a particular sore spot for Court because he has worked so closely with Buell for so long- it's personal. Kinda like someone who works with a recording artist would feel if if their friends stole the CDs of said artist. 2) Thank you for speaking up for your convictions...regardless of what they are and who agrees with them. I think we all need to do this more, because if we all just look away when something isn't right then it continues to be not right but noone feels bad...including, eventually, ourselves- we become numb to it. On a practical level, the pirated copies are crap...not searchable. I own 3 paper service manuals for the 3 Buells I own, and plan to buy one for every Buell I buy in the future  However, Buell could do us all a favor and sell an electronic version with searchable text, zoomable pics, rotatable pics and short video clips where necessary. | ||
| Court |
Wow. Tell me . . . if you can be honest for a moment . . . what information . . . just name ONE PIECE . . . that you can get from the "free download" that is not in the factory service manual. This is what I term "honesty of convenience". I'm no prude and am aware that there are people in the world with diminished personal standards. I am on no personal campaign to change the world. But I am also not willing to compromise my personal integrity to accommodate them. Nor am I willing to accept the logic that since 80% of the people in the world are honest when it works out for them that I need to conform to that. I think you've answered my questions well. | ||
| Blake |
Well stated on all counts Mr. Canfield. A agree 100%. | ||
| Sifo |
Simply stated... If you are using a bootleg manual you can't honestly describe yourself as being honest. | ||
| Andymnelson |
"Simply stated... If you are using a bootleg manual you can't honestly describe yourself as being honest." lol...BUT you COULD dishonestly describe yourself as being honest. OR honestly describe yourself as being dishonest... :-p | ||
| Fastxb12r |
Im honestly sure this is a joke. Tell me . . . if you can be honest for a moment . . . I think you've answered my questions well. As have you.....  Nor am I willing to accept the logic that since 80% of the people in the world are honest when it works out for them that I need to conform to that. Nor do I need to conform to the liars that state they do nothing unethical in life.You are not jesus and ALL have done something wrong in life whether they want to admit it or not....Where is Mother Teresa ......NVM I found her..... Its nice to see there is a second jesus on earth without sin or doing wrong at all.  BUT you COULD dishonestly describe yourself as being honest. I think this describes many people pointing fingers saying their better than others.} | ||
| Andymnelson |
I don't think anyone claimed to be "Jesus". or perfect. or without sin. There's a huge difference between messing up, and intentionally doing something wrong...when we know it is wrong. You have no argument against it being dishonest. That's the whole point- intentionally stealing someone else's IP is dishonest. What you and your conscious does with that is up to you- it appears that it does not bother you, which I find unfortunate. | ||
| Sifo |
Let's take a hypothetical situation. A good guy decides to publish a piece of software that is useful to a specific group. He chooses not to charge people for this software, because he wants to do something nice for people that he has a common interest with. He does not however want to get involved with dealing with any legal implications of his software being used as part of a business. This opens up a can of worm that he just isn't interested in. Unfortunately some people see the opportunity for the classic 'victimless crime'. They download the software and find a way to use it for their own profit. At this point the he must make a decision. Do you attempt to chase down and fight with everyone who is breaking the user agreement? That's tough to do. Do you just ignore it? That could be taken as the misuse being OK with a wink and a nod. That opens up the door for having to defend yourself in some bizarre law suit than names you as being complicit in something that you never had an intention of being involved with. Anyone who has been in business for any length of time will tell you that you will get named in lawsuits that are completely baseless. Yet you are stuck having to pay good money to defend yourself. Now as a result of all of this the software developer decides to pull the product. Now nobody can download it. But hey, it was a free product anyway, and the guys making money using it weren't hurting anyone by bending the rules just a bit were they? Fortunately nothing like this scenario that I just described would ever happen in the real world, would it. | ||
| Az_m2 |
Where does speeding on our motorcycles fit into all this? Is speeding dishonest? Which is worse, speeding or downloading a pirated service manual? BTW, I wouldn't download pirated products, but I often ride over the speed limit. | ||
| Sifo |
Speeding is breaking the law. I'm not sure how that works with honesty. It does get into ones character though. I would be more concerned about how reckless someone rides/drives. I would rather someone be speeding 10 over the limit than texting a friend driving the speed limit (something that is still legal in many states). | ||
| Slaughter |
OK so somebody else speeds. Therefore YOU have THE RIGHT to do anything illegal? I'm confused. Speaking of which, when you guys aren't using your wives/ladyfriends - there's a line forming out here. We're clean, we'll treat her right and since you're not using her that time of day, it's no loss to you. We'll even respect your schedule so you're not inconvenienced. Besides, unlike intellectual property law, having our crew bopping your wimmenz is PERFECTLY legal (with HER permission - she doesn't even NEED your permission for it to be legal) UNLIKE ripping off protected work. Keep in mind, using Badweb to OPENLY solicit and KNOWINGLY solicit illegal activity puts Badweb in a very bad place. Using Badweb to OPENLY solicit some quality time with your womenfolk isn't gonna get Blake in nearly the legal trouble as would allowing the open promotion of illegal downloading. (Message edited by slaughter on June 27, 2009) | ||
| Fastxb12r |
I not once told anyone here where of how to get a illegal copy of the Repair Manual.I merely stated that some people dont need to try to be the internet FBI and go around pissing and moaning everytime there is a post about it.Rather than that why not just delete the said illegal post and move on.Many people use it a few dont and complain ALOT about it..... Bottom line in life the squeaky wheel gets the grease.So eventually the internet will be policed to the point where you wont have many things that you enjoy because while some things may not be illegal some others dont condone it and with enough crying they will get their way..... | ||
| Sifo |
So eventually the internet will be policed to the point where you wont have many things that you enjoy because while some things may not be illegal some others dont condone it and with enough crying they will get their way..... Of course we are discussing piracy. That is illegal. |
