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Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 09:49 pm: | 
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Blake you're implying I said tires don't matter. That is NOT what I said.
Moto GP. Max Biaggi will run away with the title this year. Sete Gibernau will be 2nd with Loris Capirossi or Hayden 3rd. Hayden should do well on the works Honda, as will his team mate Tamada, but Hayden has the track knowledge now. Edwards, not having a works RCV will finish 5th if he can beat Bayliss and Rossi. Rossi might be lucky and get 6th from Bayliss but my money's on Rossi finishing 7th behind Bayliss. Tamada 8th.
As for Daytona, isn't that a car race in Florida?
Rocket |
Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:09 pm: |
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The Daytona 200 Rocket is the oldest,the Grand Daddy of the AMA races.Your think'n the 500 and yes thats for cars. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:34 pm: |
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Bads1, Rocket is yankin' your chain 
Rocket I have Rossi winning a GP and getting several podiums but I think you have the palcing about right except I don't think Biaggi can win it all. His head gets in the way. He should be the big favorite but if things don't go right from the start he will implode. If he gets off to a good start and can get a string of good races going than he can win it but I don't think that will happen.
Don't get me wrong I love Mad Max for his style and speed but I think his emotions get in the way of winning. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:47 pm: |
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And back to AMA superbike?????? |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 04:44 am: |
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Dana, I heard a rumour that Max was coming over to AMA superbike if he couldn't cut the mustard in Moto GP. Just a rumour mind you
Dave, I think Max has endured most of the bad press since the golden boy stole the show. For me I see him as the only guy out there that's consistently took it to Rossi, even when he(Max) was riding the M1.
Let's not forget Biaggi's fantastic career record in 125 and 250GP, which was mirrored by Rossi, yes, but that's an interesting factor in my consideration of their proven bike racing history, their age difference and how that always makes the younger achiever look the better one.
As an onlooker I've never thought there was much between them ability wise. In truth I've considered them on a par with one another but I think Rossi's meteoric rise to success in the premier class was helped considerably by his machinery. Consider this attribute similar to Schumacher in F1, except in Schumacher's case, he had the benefit of not having the big guns to race against. Of course, I take nothing away from Schumacher's abilities, that would be stupid, but his first F1 crown was won without the likes of Mansell, Senna and Prost out there for him to compete against. So to Moto GP, I believe this is similar for Rossi except it wasn't the talent he had to beat but more the bikes they've all been riding, and his young age. Winning young makes for very good press but it also just about guarantees most enthusiasts pick up your torch too, which as well as your ability on the bike also makes you out to be some kind of two wheeled hero, thus everyone suddenly thinks you're the best thing since sliced bread, quickly forgetting the talents of those who went before you. Remember Ferrari's chief, Luca Demontihoweveryouspellit, offering Biaggi a test in a Ferrari F1 if and when he won his first 500 race? Remember how long it took Biaggi to win a 500? I do.
Thank someone Rossi's not riding an RCV, is what I say, otherwise we could have ended up with a Moto GP series equivalent to watching paint dry, which is about what Schumacher's success has done for F1.
AMA superbike. That series needs a huge injection of European talent in it. That way it might get world recognition like British Super Bike has. We never see AMA on TV over here. Not even on sat\cable TV. Do you guys get to see BSB over there?
Rocket
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José_quiñones
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 07:27 am: |
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Blake, what I meant to say is that even a lighter MotoGP bike would have tire troubles at Daytona, because it would spin the tire all the time. The issue there is the track (lack of traction, heavy loads around the banking) more than the weight when combined with the 200+HP over a long race distance.
At other tracks, the Superbikes would have troubles due to their greater weight compared to a MotoGP bike, which is why there have been less tire troubles in MotoGP compared to WSBK or AMA.
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Henrik
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 10:40 am: |
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I think Mladin has a very good chance of winning AMA Superbike again this year. The man just will not let go. Considering the beginning of last season, where he was just SOL, only to return and win some astounding races, VIR comes to mind.
I only hope the Honda riders are up to putting some more pressure on him this year. Them and E Boz 
I wouldn't discount Rossi in MotoGP this year. Much will depend on how well the factory listens to him and make the necessary changes to the bike.
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Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 11:03 am: |
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Rocket,
Rossi is nothing special? Please. I've been watching him since he was on the 250. The dude came back from a 10? second deficit (penalty stop) to win a race last year (I forget the venue).
JQ,
Going around the banking at Daytona puts a LOT more force on the tires. More force (g-force) with the same mass will tend to help prevent tire-spin. The big gix had SERIOUS tire troubles at other high speed tracks last year. From a physics standpoint, the power and tire spinning is what I would see as the most harmful thing to the rear tire. More power, less weight (not THAT much less btw) makes for a lot more spinning in moto GP. Sad to say, but I think Michelin has the tire issue covered wrt 200+HP race-bikes where Dunlop continues to struggle. In other words, it ain't either the HP or the weight, it's the tire manufacturer. No Dunlop in MotoGP, no Michelin in AMA... until now! |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 11:09 am: |
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Not considering nationality or their factory affiliations, just considering the rider themselves, I like Ben Bostrom and Miguel Duhamel. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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Rocket....AMA needs a huge injection of Euro talent?????Some of the best riders you have ever seen have come from the US. |
Benm2
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 12:51 pm: |
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The Bostrum's are leading the superbike practice times, but the superstock times are FASTER (now, that is. Do you think it will change?) The FX times are slower than supersport, and the first Buell listed is WAAAAAAY down the sheet. It's early yet, tho.
Huge injection of Euro talent? Is that to make the tires safer by slowing the pace down? |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 02:20 pm: |
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Rocket who knows where Max will be in a few years all considering he lives in Sunny Southern California during his off season. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 03:54 pm: |
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Bads Rocket's comment is right on target. He is saying if there was a huge injection of Euro talent then the AMA races would get more World TV coverage. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 04:51 pm: |
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Hell we don't get enough coverage of either for that matter.Nascar,Nascar,Nascar.They just about took over the damn TV. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 06:53 pm: |
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Rocket,
Rossi is nothing special? Please.
Blake old son, where did I ever say or even imply such a stupid comment?
the golden boy stole the show
Let's not forget Biaggi's fantastic career record in 125 and 250GP, which was mirrored by Rossi,
consistently took it to Rossi
I've never thought there was much between them ability wise
Rossi's meteoric rise to success in the premier class was helped..........
quickly forgetting the talents of those who went before you
Thank someone Rossi's not riding an RCV
What do you think these observations of mine say Blake? You know, it doesn't take a fucking clairvoyant to spell it out. Oh yeah, it would help if you took that bug out of your arse too.
Wycked, thanks man. Right on the money.
Rocket
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