| Author | Message | ||
     Jonnyrotton |
What I'm really wondering is....was the 984 motor supposed to be "the" motor for the xb series? Meaning, I wonder if Eric Buell and his team originally designed the 984 motor to be the one and only power plant for the xb series or if they always had in mind to bring out the 12. Was the 984 bore and stroke combination the ultimate in their minds, only to be criticized by all the magazines and Buell owner for not having enough power and torque? And therefore brought out the 1203 motor to satisfy everyones need for more power? Or like I said was the 984 the "600" and the 1203 the "1000" | ||
| Pogue_mahone |
u crazy | ||
| Old_man |
Jonny, I think you have it. Seems that is the way it happened. | ||
| Barker |
And how is this not answered in the other thread? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Were it a matter of power, they could have bored the engine out to 1200 and killed everything. The 12 is a completely different engine from the 9 in behavior, feel, and execution. They feel completely different. If the problem were simply criticism of lack of power and torque, they only accomplished one of those with the 12 engine. It's still down on power. Additionally, if the 9 was the "wrong" engine, why continue to produce it even to this day? It may go away for 2010, but it's been a long running "failure". | ||
| Old_man |
I NEVER felt the need for more power. The 9 has more than I will ever need. I rode the 12, the only difference, I see, is less shifting is needed. To be fair, my 9 has the race stuff. | ||
| Barker |
"I rode the 12, the only difference, I see, is less shifting is needed." +1, but I can ride a 9 easier/faster than a 12. smooooooth, less punchy. For me it not always about raw power. It has more to with how it is delivered. for street the 9 is more than enough. For the track, lets just say I could use 50 ponies more @ the rear and some better brakes. my Niner is still riot @ the track. (Message edited by barker on May 02, 2009) (Message edited by barker on May 02, 2009) | ||
| Woody1 |
I would guess the target was to build a powerplant for the 95 percentile, with support for the 10 percentile. the 95 percent of the owners ride a basically stock bike within the requirement of the laws.... for the most part. smooth torque and horsepower range for a more pleasurable ride coupled with superior handling chassis and great rider ergonomics. The 10 percent of the riders who want more performance most are looking for mild performance increase, the rest are people are hot rodding, track day, racing owners. Overall I personally feel its a good powerplant for the average rider and a good powerplant for the tweekers out there that spend as much time modifying their bike as they do riding their bike. The bikes attract people looking for something different a "cult following" its not another gixer, and kawis have replaced the camaro (they are like ...holes everyone has one). Its all just speculation and not statistically correct but just a thought | ||
| Luxor |
I own a 9S and 12S. Both purchased new within 6 months of each other. The 9 has 10K while the 12 has 1K. The 9 is just funner for me in the day to day world of real traffic. The 9 is smoother, and more precise in feel then the 12, and the 9 has more then enough torque and power to evoke a huge smile anytime I desire. I LOVE the 984, this of course is MY opinion. |
