| Author | Message | ||
     Vortec57 |
You don't like what we say, you dont want to listen to the value that we think your bike would fetch. You continue to argue that it's worth more (if you know why ask) and get upset at every little remark, but still come back into the thread and fuel the fire some more. | ||
| Juniorkirk |
I'm just saying if an American did that with an American flag, I'm sure plenty of folks would be happy to point out the error to him. I would beat the living shit out of the guy if he used an American flag like that. | ||
| Glitch |
If you're out to make money... The best thing you could do, is part it out on e-bay. Black_sunshine couldn't get more than $2,ooo for his dead XB9. Parted it out on e-bay, and got over $5,ooo. More work though. | ||
| Palmer |
Unfortunately we Italians are no longer proud of our country. That's sad guys, and this is important to see how for an american thi is important. I would never put the italian flag under the sidestand of a bike, but there are people like that. Sad. Back in topic: Edo don't get angry! better alone that bad unaccompained! Someone here loves and appreciate your bike, that's the most important thing. Stop flaming on my friend!!  | ||
| The_italian_job |
Dana, these are the parts coming from Europe: flyscreen (Germany) Hypercharger kit (Germany) triple tree (Luis Moto, Italy) solo seat (Italy) lifetime filter (K&P, which is an american company, but I wasn't able to find anybody in the US that carried that filter for Buells, Italy) ISR front brake master cylinder (Italy) ISR clutch lever system (Italy) carbon fiber rear fender (Lorandi Resine, Italy) front pulley cover (Free Spirits, Italy) rear disc (same pattern design of the one seen on the Hellbender bike, UK) I might have forgotten something... | ||
| The_italian_job |
Palmer, here in the US, Buells are seen differently and you can see it also from the used market value. that's why so many people here ask me if my bikes (either my XB or my S1 and I'm sure it'll be like that when my X1 will be done) are the new Ducati, or a custom made, or generally italian bikes. they have such a big treasure at home and they don't even know it's made in the USA! and no matter how you use your flag, or where you show it, but you better be proud to do it anyway... you americans are probably the only ones in the world capable to do so and we look at you guys with admiration, which probably you don't know. again, my apologies to have asked the wrong question to the wrong people... | ||
| Bads1 |
Dana, these are the parts coming from Europe: flyscreen (Germany) Hypercharger kit (Germany) triple tree (Luis Moto, Italy) solo seat (Italy) lifetime filter (K&P, which is an american company, but I wasn't able to find anybody in the US that carried that filter for Buells, Italy) ISR front brake master cylinder (Italy) ISR clutch lever system (Italy) carbon fiber rear fender (Lorandi Resine, Italy) front pulley cover (Free Spirits, Italy) rear disc (same pattern design of the one seen on the Hellbender bike, UK) I might have forgotten something... What I'm getting at though is that all these listed parts are parts that are obtainable. The conversion to the hand control's is found easily in a Super Streetbike mag. These parts are readily avalible to all of us. Its just if you want to spend the money. As far as you asking the wrong people?? Sorry I've done two Buell's now and over did it on both. I'm ok with it. I think you just don't like hearing what you will hear even from others in the custom arena. | ||
| The_italian_job |
maybe... or maybe there's something else behind all this, who knows....  | ||
| The_italian_job |
and let me say the last thing: this is my last post in this forum, I was personally offended and generally when I posted that picture of the bike with the Italian flag underneath, somebody found a way to offend me and extend the issue to my country, just because that guy put his flag by his bike, which he put it just because he was the only italian bike out of 3 that participate at the italian build off show. period. you guys went way too far. | ||
| Hotrod427 |
Sorry Italian job, if I offended you. Please realize my comment was made toungue-in-cheek. I just meant to say that anyone, no matter what country they're from, should have pride in their homeland. But to Americans, to use OUR flag in such a manner would be seen by most as disrespectful. And you sort of made my point when you stated that "some Americans use the flag on their cars, and you don't say anything". Well, that depends on how it's used because there is a code of etiquette that dictates how, and when, it is proper to display it. Lying on the ground is NEVER acceptable. We, as Americans, need to take more pride in our country, and show respect to its symbols and the people who've given so much to protect them. Again, sorry for offending you. | ||
| Xbgeorge |
The Italian Job, I don't think anybody was trying to insult your homeland. The US is very sensitive about how the US flag is treated. We have a very detailed flag code. Most people don't realize how detailed it is. http://www.ushistory.org/BETSY/flagcode.htm Our(including you, because you have chosen to live here) flag has been a symbol of strength and protest throughout the world. We feel that if something is done to our flag, it is done to us also. I have seen alot of other countries use their flags in ways that would violate the US flag code. We all have different rules for the way our countries conduct themselves. Americans key on the Flag being placed on the ground. Many believe a flag touching the ground must be burned. That is not true, it must be washed by hand. If it is still soiled than it must be disposed of properly. By the way, you were correct on calling out people draping their cars with the flag. That is against the us Flag code also. Good luck on whatever you decide to do with your creation. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
this is my last post in this forum I really hope you don't mean that. | ||
| Dick8008 |
I'd say if you find a guy that's willing to put out 15k or more then take it. It's your custom and never can be anyone elses. That's why you built it. Other wise the buyer is just buying a bike, no sweat or soul into it. | ||
| Dick8008 |
I do like that bike though! Great work and one of a kind. You'd miss it too much, don't sell her. | ||
| The_italian_job |
I've seen a lot of modded nice Buells around here, slightly or deeply, with taste or without, but never ever a "SPECIAL". nobody here has a "SPECIAL" and can compare its situation with mine. well, if somebody out there want's to buy a "SPECIAL", the exclusivity has a price. try to ask Jens of Hillbilly Motors if he wants to sell the Hellbender or the XBRR Chronos for $15.000 and see his response! I heard not from him but for that person very close to him that is one of my best friends, that he refused an offer of 30.000 euros to sell the Hellbender. he knows what he put on that bike and he does the price. who's looking at that bike, is going to look at a "SPECIAL", not a Buell. let me tell you this: I have a Ducati 1098 S all set up and decided to sell it because I wanna buy a CR. I put it on ebay, starting price 10.000, reserve 15.500 (and it's very low for a bike like mine), I decided to stay low because I wanted to sell it ASAP and didn't care to loose some money. yesterday I wake up and find an email of an a s s h o l e! he tells me that my bike has too many miles for him (5000, never raced and always used as daily commuter, the engine is like new) but if I wanted, he was willing to buy it for 8 grand!!! I told him that he could consider the deal done, and that I threw in the deal also my other 3 Buells, since the money he offered were amazing! this is my Ducati... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&item=140315624377#ht_500wt_964 now, in your opinion, that bike worth 8 grand? I know it doesn't, but if that guy is crazy or a way too smart ass, should I sell it for that money because he said it worths so???? about the flag, just you guys have this code or at least you follow it so straight. that guy was Italian and showed his flag with pride, no matter if it was underneath the kickstand (and it was there for a reason!), but matter that he showed it, IMO. I live here in the States and I follow your rules, because I have a big respect for this country that is putting me up. but the guy wasn't... | ||
| Bads1 |
Your bike cannot and will never be compared to the Hellbender. Your bike other then the dash that I can see is all bolt on's. The Hellbender has 5 times the hand fabricated parts. That in many eyes is not custom. I built my bike to ride. I also take care of it's appearance. My paint I probably have 3 times into it as the ghost. Remember Ed I also have your solo seat and a custom gator stitched seat. The few things I see that I haven't done that you have. Control's,triple trees that are major to me. The fat tire doesn't completely hook me ball in chain other wise it would be done already. Honestly.... your bike isn't worth much more then mine regardless what you put in. (With all respect). Remember.... my bike is ridden and shown. Hell the day before its mag. shoot it got hailed on during the ride to Road America. I had to clean it up with bare minimal and hotel towel's. Your taking this to hard. I know how you feel though it happened to me the same. You feel like your bike is getting ridiculed. Its going to. Different strokes for different folk's. My honest opinion is keep it or be prepared to lose your shorts. | ||
| Glitch |
I know how you feel though it happened to me the same. Edoardo, you have no idea how much shit Dana has had to put up with. Listen to him, he speaks the truth. | ||
| Bads1 |
Thanks Glitch... Edoardo has no idea the story behind my bike. Edoardo,the paint on my bike is a story... why it was painted the way it is. The story now is 4 years old. The story is told at shows. | ||
| Damnut |
OK I have been out of this conversation up until this point but I feel I have to add my 2 cents. I have a boat load of money into my bike, no it doesn't have a name, but shit man I'd be LUCKY to get 7 grand for it. Between all of the powdercoating and aftermarket parts on it, I'm guessing I have over 7 grand into it. So between buying the bike and all the work I've invested ~20K into it. Like I said, I think I'd be lucky to get 7 for it. | ||
| The_italian_job |
Dana, in my opinion, you speak with jealously to me... your bike, to tell you the truth, it's no even comparable with mine! you have a paint job, I don't discuss the taste, it is personal and I keep my opinion for me, but I recognize the money were put on and the hours of labor. but beside that, your bike is a stock XB12. mines is way far from there. when you will have done some more modifications, come back. I've never compared my bike with yours or anyone's, you did it often and were dyeing to do it with mine! sorry buddy, but your bike it's not a special, it is just a Buell... | ||
| Bads1 |
Jealousy???? Dude get real. I did what I wanted to my bike. I add as I want. Sorry I said what was truth. Your bike like mine is just about 90% bolt ons that any of us can buy. I chose not to go that far. Not Jealosy.On the market like mine.... yours is just a buell. Put it on Ebay then and we will see. Put a reserve of 50g and we will see. I'm not dyeing to say anything to you. Your asking I'm telling. I love your bike but it is what it is. My advise to you is to except that and move on. You'll learn just as I did. If you ask anyone on this forum ever....ever. I don't knock someones bike or taste. I may come across sometimes brass but never knock someone creation. | ||
| Damnut |
This is starting to turn into a "My Dad can beat up your Dad" conversation. Edoardo, Do you want to sell your bike? If so, then put it up on EBay and sell it. Face the facts, no matter how much you think your bike is worth, it's not worth that much. Don't believe me? Put it on EBay and sell it, you'll see. This thread is becoming very childish. Almost time to put it into the Backfire Board. | ||
| Glitch |
This this goes to show, no one can put a price on passion, or for that matter, art. If y'all have a need to find the monetary value of a show bike. You'll need to find an appraiser of show bikes, not an internet forum, where all the appraisers only have a small picture to judge by, besides, the most of us are riders, not show bike appraisers. No need to get upset that no one is as passionate about your show bike as you. A friend of mine, Brian Fuller, had a bike that to me should have won the Biker Build Off a couple of years ago. He didn't.  He couldn't sell it for what he thought it was worth, so he put it on e-bay. It still didn't sell for the price he needed. The bike is still his, but it's new home is the Barber Motorcycle Museum. Edited to add: The bike above is damn near totally one off. Brian made the frame, the wheels, exhaust, metal work (tank, fenders, oil bag) Trust me, there ain't no bolt ons there. (Message edited by glitch on April 26, 2009) | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Did you really tell somebody on ebay that he had a done deal, that you were going to throw in some big extras, and you did not mean it? And you confirm it here, publicly? You might need a good lawyer soon. Really get an agent, go to Robb's or Dupont Registry. What happened to "this is my last word on the forum"? (Hopefully, not forum because you added some good stuff, but thread.) | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing anyone's bike out there! (that's sure to keep everyone from getting offended, right!?)  Some custom bikes require a lot of skill to build. Others simply require knowledge. I don't have the SKILL required to fabricate one off parts so I stick to my limited KNOWLEDGE of reading the service manual, removing stock parts, and bolting on aftermarket parts. A little go-fast here, a little shiny there.. and the end result is "custom" simply because it isn't like any other bike out there, but I wouldn't dare compare my bike or the heart and soul put into it with custom builders out there who have the skill to fabricate beautiful parts that flow with the particular theme of a bike and come together as a whole. It has been said before that the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. TIJ - you have $40k worth of parts, you do not have a $40k bike. That doesn't take anything away from the amazing vision and passion that you've poured into Ghost! Please, however, show a little respect for the bikes that your fellow riders and builders have conceived and created. I've seen Dana's bike Last Laugh in person and it is amazing! He's obviously put a lot of time, energy, and money into making it what it is today. I know you have a lot of respect for the bike, and for Dana. It's evident by the way so many of Ghost's mods mirror the creativity in Last Laugh. Don't disrespect the builder of your inspiration.. that's just petty and immature. | ||
| Sifo |
Glitch has a good point here. We are not a group of show bike appraisers. This is the wrong place to look for that kind of appraisal. Is the Ghost a real one off show bike though? I look at it and see a very customized Buell. Buell frame, Buell forks, Buell engine, Buell geometry. Lots of expensive bolt on stuff, and a high quality paint job. No doubt some custom fabrication went into that is not so obvious, but it is still a Buell lightning. Find the right buyer and you may get a price that makes you happy. Aside from that you will to better parting it out a piece at a time. Bolt on parts add almost nothing to the value of a bike. Paint adds little value also. Bottom line is that it still comes mostly from available parts. The best case is that you keep it and enjoy the attention it draws. If you find a serious buyer that will pay a price you want, you should jump at the chance, because the next buyer may be very difficult to find. I like what you've done, but it would never find a home in my garage. Sorry. | ||
| The_italian_job |
Pkforbes, your a good kid, please don't say that I took inspiration from anyone bike here or there, if you don't know me or the story of my bike! I had this project in my mind since I was a kid and in my country of origin I bought the american motorcycle magazines and you guys already had this idea of a bad ass bikes with skulls and flames! I started my project way before the movie Ghost Rider was in the theaters! I named my bike after the movie, but I already had clear what I wanted to do, definitely didn't take inspiration from any bike seen on the movie or anywhere around. find me another bike that resemble mine, please... | ||
| The_italian_job |
Iamarchangel, you definitely have the same IQ of the guy that offered me $8000 for a bike which bid is already $11.600!!! I go around looking for people like you and the other guy to have fun. oh, wait! maybe that email was just yours.... | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
"find me another bike that resemble mine, please..." I could start with this. You've posted the source for most of the rest of your parts so I would imagine anyone with money to burn could piece together an identical ride fairly easily. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buell-Lightning-XB- Skull-Fly-Screen-Windshield-NEW-RARE_W0QQitemZ2603 99870396QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Acces sories?hash=item260399870396&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 &_trkparms=65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318  | ||
| Js_buell |
Ok this is getting ridiculous because no one os telling YOU what YOU WANT to ear. You compare your bike with Hellbender Bull@#$% sorry I like the work you did in putting aftermarkets parts on your bike but it's nothing more then available Aftermarkets. You say that Bads1 bikes is nothing near like your bike BULL@#$% the biggest difference between the 2 bike is the style but you both have mostly aftermarkets parts and paint jobs on the bikes like Dana said. You disrespect Dana by saying he is jealous of your bike you keep not hearing what's said to you. So ok I'll make you happy by telling you all king of BULL@#$%. YOUR BIKE IS THE BEST FU#$%@G CUSTOM BUELL OUT THERE AND IT'S WORTH AT LEAST 50K MINIMUM AND PROBABLY MORE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND ANY OF THE ONE OFF PARTS YOU PUT ON THIS BIKE AND NO ONE COULD REPRODUCE IT EXACTLY LIKE YOU DID. Happy? Now please grow up assume the fact that you will most likely not get what you want for your bike quit insulting people that are just answering your original question. Put it up on e-bay with a huge reserve and see it for your self. Can we be done with this thread now it's getting old and stupid. |
