| Author | Message | ||
     Cadhopper |
I recently purchased a 05 XB9SX that had frame pucks installed. I dropped the bike on the left side so I needed to replace the frame puck and when I removed the damaged part there was a dent in the frame. The original puck left adhesive tape everywhere but in the dent making myself and a few others think the dent was there before the puck was installed. I'm feeling kinda screwed at this point because with a dented frame the bike is worth much less than what I paid for it. I really hate dishonest people.  I think from this point on, if I buy another used XB, I will require the owner to pull the frame pucks (at my cost) before I hand over the money. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
If the damage was not reported by the previous owner, then the title is still clear. There's a big difference between having a salvage bike, and one with a dent in the frame. Some insurance companies won't even offer full coverage on a salvage vehicle. | ||
| Damnut |
I crashed my bike and dented the frame. I received a check from my Ins company but I do not have a salvaged bike. Just because there is a dent in the frame does not mean that it is salvaged. Just saying....... Put a new puck on it and forget about it. | ||
| Jdorp_ |
i had a small dent on my frame too. threw a frame puck over it and forgot about it until this post..haha... | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I think what the issue cadhopper has is the fact that it wasn't disclosed to him when he purchased the bike that it had been down. I know how you feel. I got the same deal on a bike I purchased. I also sold a bike that I low sided and didn't damage anything, yet told the dealer I traded it into that it had been down. It is nice to deal with honest people. A fading trait in most. | ||
| Cadhopper |
Rocketsprink, It's just upsetting that someone wouldn't tell you about hidden damage that would make most insurance companies total a used bike. I should point out that I'm the third owner of the bike so it's very possible the person I bought the bike from didn't know about the damage. | ||
| Glitch |
It sucks to be sure. But, at the same time, if you're the third owner, buyer beware. That's a lot of history you don't know about a bike after changing hands three times. Did you get a good deal? Or did they try to pass it off as "like new" and soak you? | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
Cadhopper- OK for starters you should have talked to me first for one and for two the guy that I bought it from never disclosed any of that to me. The guy I bought it from never told me anything about him dropping it. Now if you feel hosed in this deal I will gladly take the bike back and give you your 4300 bucks back. Now back to the dent- I have dropped one buell (with pucks on it) and it still dented the frame. Why dont you give me a call and we can talk about this, like I said I have absolutely no issues taking that bike back. Hell I will even come down to VA and pick it up. If I would have known about the dent I would have told you, just like I told you about the rear shock. I take pride in my workmanship and I back it up 100%. | ||
| Bads1 |
Wow Chris you are quite the gentlemen. Something you don't see enough these days for sure. | ||
| Caféelite |
Cadhopper
Chrisrogers3
I think it speaks volumes of your character to step in here and say you are the previous owner even though you were not called out. Personally I dont think I could return someones money after they damaged the bike, even considering it was damaged previous. Cadhopper.. If the bike road straight when you bought it and didnt show any other fork\frame damaged I wouldnt get to bent up about it. I think anyone runs this risk when buying a used bike with multiple owners. Did you contact the insurance company when you dropped the bike? If so did they want to totall it? You could always let them totall it and then buy it back. Then again you could just fix it up on your own and ride it like its been wrecked before  | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
Well I look at it like this. That bike started out as a 2005 City X that I bought off of Ebay from a guy in Indiana who promised me the bike was never laid down (and he was the original owner). I looked the bike over thoroughly and it was in perfect condition when I bought it (or so I thought). Here is a pic of what it started out life as...  I then built up the bike to accomodate the Uly fairing and Uly wheels and so on. I had my hands all over that bike and never once did I notice any evidence of it being down. This is what she looked like when I sold it to cadhopper. I feel completely responsible for selling him a bike that had a dented frame and I fully intend to make it right however we decide fit. I have already spoken to him on the phone and am in the process of deciding what to do.  | ||
| Cadhopper |
Chris, I'm sorry, I thought I put something in the post that I was pretty sure you did not know about the dent. You seemed like a stand up guy and I don't doubt your integrity. It's the guy you bought it from that torques my butt. Again, I can't apologize enough for not making that clear to everyone. (Message edited by cadhopper on April 26, 2009) | ||
| Iamarchangel |
A couple of class acts. There's certain people on another current thread that could learn from this. Good on you both. | ||
| Xb1200rick |
My wife hit a pot hole in a gas station parking lot on her brand new (200miles on it) bike and went down. Her frame looked exactly as you described under the puck. I was surprised to see that even though the puck took the hit, it transferred the impact to the frame. Rick | ||
| Spatten1 |
If it makes you feel better, the guys that run XBs at the track say frame dents don't usually bend the geometry of the frame. If it is just a dent with out major scrapes, it probably happened when the bike was not rolling, it probably just fell over. Wrecks scrape the crap out of the frame, and usually the bottom of the swingarm too. | ||
| Spatten1 |
XBRick, that is great info too! | ||
| Caféelite |
Interesting info.. Im the only owner of my bike and have dumped it. It was only enough to scrap the frame puck. I could pull mine and see if the frame is damage. Whats the process for taking them off and putting them back on? | ||
| Cadhopper |
I would be interested to see if you have a dent under the puck but if you take it off I doubt it will stick back to the frame. | ||
| Ourdee |
If I take one off, I'd get a new one with the primer kit. I would not take a chance on it not sticking next time it goes down. In other words, if it looks Ok, don't fix what ain't broken. Where did all these stand up guys come from? | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
Problem solved. Cadhopper and I came to a very mutual agreement and I will be picking the bike up this weekend. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
For the record Chris, I was not accusing you of being dishonest. If I'm not mistaken, I may have sold you some of the parts you used in your conversion of the bike. You, or someone else from Wisconsin. It is a very easy to miss a dent under a puck. I purchased 2 bikes in that condition and never knew until I got them home and really started looking over the bike. One I raced with no issues, and one is my wife's XB9S. Her bike still looks showroom new and minus the little scrape just below the left puck, you'd never know. Seems you both made am agreement, but does a dent in the frame warrant a refund?? Again, I see both points of view. Man, typing this much from a cell phone sucks!! | ||
| Caféelite |
Well its 50 bucks for a pair of frame pucks. I would have been willing to snag them and pull mine off to prove the previous point. To bad you this couldnt have waited.
Odd thing is I feel worse for you then the creator of the thread. Considering he dropped the bike on that side and there is no proof of previous damage I think you are getting the short end of the stick. Bad deal all around I guess. Either way the bike in the pic look super slick. Good luck on selling in the future. (Message edited by Caféelite on April 27, 2009) | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
Rocket-yes I did buy some parts from you for either this project or another. As far as the deal, in the end it will work out for both of us. The bike already has a home once I get it back to WI. Like I said, I build bikes as a hobby and sell them once I get bored with them. I put a lot of pride into my work and I stand behind everything I sell. I am up to 32 vehicles bought and sold in the last 10 years and I have yet to have anyone give me issues. Cadhopper was no exception, he is a great guy that in the end wasnt 100% happy and I can completely understand his point of view. As far as bad deal all the way around, I dont see it that way. I am not upset over the ordeal at all and I dont think Cadhopper is either. We both in the end worked out a deal we were both happy with. | ||
| Cadhopper |
Everything is good between Chris and myself. There is no damage to the bike other than a scratched up hand guard and a bent rearset. In fairness Chris gets a few nice upgrades on the bike as compensation for his time and trouble. | ||
| Froggy |
Ok just throwing this out here, not to stir anything, but Cadhopper, how do you know it didn't dent from your tip over? Its possible you hit it just right and it did it in. Frame pucks aren't perfect, they don't work in all drops. | ||
| Cadhopper |
The adhesive from the puck was still stuck to the frame all around the dent. There was no adhesive in the dent making myself and a few other Buell riders that the dent was there before the puck was installed. Does this prove that the dent was there before the drop? The answer is no. Until this thread I had never read or heard of a puck failing in a low speed tip over. Either way, Chris knows someone who wants the bike and I have given him a very good deal. We will both move on and be happy so all is good. The question I asked myself is could I have handled this situation better? The answer is yes but we all live and learn from our mistakes. (Message edited by cadhopper on April 27, 2009) | ||
| Rhun |
Generally speaking a vehicle becomes a 'salvage' vehicle when an insurance company buys it from the owner. They do this when repairs are greater than book value. Use carfax or the like to trace a title. If you completely destroy a vehicle and repair it yourself it will have a clean title. If you barely damage a vehicle but the insurance company takes it, it will have a salvage (or junk) title. I'm guessing that there are very many Buells out there with a dented frame. that is why they made the pucks and now include them as stock. | ||
| Rah7777777 |
$4300!!!!!!!! shit thats a pretty good deal. dent or no dent, as long as the puck covers it up, i'd roll it for sure! | ||
| Cadhopper |
That's what I'm going to do. After talking with Chris some more I felt bad about him buying the bike back because like Froggy said it is possible the puck failed. I have already put around $2k into it and really like the way the XB9 motor runs. Hopefully my knee will heal up soon so I can get back on the road. |
