G oog le BadWeB | Login/out | Topics | Search | Custodians | Register | Edit Profile


Buell Motorcycle Forum » XBoard » Buell XBoard Archives » Archive through April 20, 2009 » Idle problem « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Clydesdale6
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Had my bike serviced at the local dealership recently. Had oil and primary oil changed and a TPS reset done. After picking up the bike it sounded good but, as I rode and the engine warmed up the bike wanted to idle at 2k rpms everytime I put it in neutral. It runs fine when its cold and high idle when its warm. I don't want to take it back to the dealership because they suck. This isn't the first problem. Was it an incorrect reset, or should I trouble shoot something else? I did go down pretty hard last fall. Possible the ECM is bad. The dealership said it was good, but I don't trust em.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Glitch
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Try to idle it down just a bit.
Also, the TPS reset may have been done before the engine was completely warm.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Sifo
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Had my bike serviced at the local dealership recently.

Well there's your problem!

Glitch, I've seen a couple of mentions of having the bike warmed up before a TPS reset recently. I didn't remember that being part of the procedure, so I just checked my '06 manual and there is no requirement to be warmed up at all other than to warm it up before setting the idle. Does someone know something that's not in the manual?

I do agree that dropping the idle just a tick will probably solve the hanging idle. It is very possible that the tech didn't have it up to temp (320 F in my manual) before setting the idle. Easy fix!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rogue_biker
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Immediately return your bike to the dealership and have them re-do the TPS reset RIGHT! In fact, DEMAND that they do this right!

I had the same thing happen to my Firebolt and posted the problem here. The TPS reset was done wrong.

I just came back from American Sportbike where Al Lighton showed me how to do the TPS reset properly. Before you even begin to do the reset using the computer, you must loosen the idle adjustment screw two full turns. Then, you must open the throttle and let it snap shut. Doing so will ensure the throttle is actually fully closed prior to resetting. Then, and only then do you reset the TPS with the computer. According to Al Lighton, most dealership wrench monkeys do NOT do this initial procedure. This causes the TPS reset to be set improperly.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Iamarchangel
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Those kinds of demands will just frustrate you. If they don't know, they don't know and they're not paid to learn from customers.

Learn to do it yourself from the info that's on here.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kowpow225
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Learn to do it yourself from the info that's on here.

This is quite possibly some of the best advice. There is a lot of information here, and an equal number of guys (and gals) willing to point you in the right direction if your run into problems. This and a service manual are the two biggest resources of a Buell owner/mechanic.


(Message edited by kowpow225 on April 12, 2009)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Sifo
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Those kinds of demands will just frustrate you. If they don't know, they don't know and they're not paid to learn from customers.

Learn to do it yourself from the info that's on here."


Could not agree more. For the price of a cable and a manual I can not only to a TPS reset anytime I want, but I get an incredible amount of information on how my bike runs in the real world. It also provides the ability to make improvements for those that are comfortable doing this.

It's worth it to me just for the TPS reset ability. I can have the TPS reset done in less time than a single trip to the dealer. I save getting a ride back home from who ever will waste their time, being without my bike for an unknown period of time, another ride from someone who is getting tired of giving me rides, and then the trip home again.

With ECMspy I have no frustrations from the dealer, and don't wear the patience of my friends thin. Sometimes it's a good thing not getting good service.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Clydesdale6
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Copy all. Stop being lazy and do my own maintenance. Stay the hell away from the dealers. And get an ECMspy cable. Thank you everyone.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Rogue_biker
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well if the guy already paid for the TPS reset, shouldn't he get what he paid for? Or should we just let dealerships get away with stealing our money?

I do agree that we should all learn how to do the TPS reset. However, this is one of the simplest procedures of all. Easier than changing the oil. If the dealership can't perform this, then why do they bother servicing Buells? We should at least inform them how it's done right and attempt to get them to do it right. Or, get his money back.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Clydesdale6
Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rogue_biker, let me give you the full story on this. I called the dealership and talked to a mechanic there about laying my bike down pretty hard and that I wanted them to check it over, reset the TPS, and since it was there go ahead and change the oil and primary. I also had new rubber that I had purchased from outside the dealership that I wanted put on. I asked how much all of that would cost and he said about 70 bucks in labor. I asked when I could schedule to get it in and he said now would be best. I snuck out of work and brought it over. Asked again about the total price and received the same quote when I got there. I handed over my keys and hauled ass back to work. I get a call the next day to say my bike is ready for pickup. I asked what the total was and they said 400.00 dollars! They charged me 275.00 and 3.4 hours of labor to change my tires. WTF! My bike still ran like crap after warming up. Also I had asked if they would put a spring that I brought on my left peg. He said sure, no charge. The spring was put on wrong and the peg flopped up and down. I lost my mind in the dealership and got nowhere. It almost got messy, and I'm still pissed. I was going to buy a CR from them (brand new) this July. Not now. Not ever. They lost a customer and I tell this story to anyone that will listen. Hopefully I will take business from them and they lose a lot more than the 275.00 they ripped off of me. I talked to Cycle gear and they would have done it for 60.00 bucks in 30 min. Jeez.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Iamarchangel
Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rogue_biker: you're right, he should get what he paid for.

But part of being grown-up is realizing that life isn't fair and walking away and cutting your losses.

I look at it this way. I've already worked so if I'm not playing I'm on overtime, on my own work, so double my overtime pay. Arguing with a mechanic, who doesn't know basics, is costing me almost $100 an hour. It's costing me more to get my money back.

I already know I don't want him touching my bike again.

So, cut my losses, vote with my feet.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Marko138
Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There are so many dealer horror stories. It's almost unbelievable. I am extremely lucky that I have a competent dealer (White's HD/Buell in Lebanon, PA). They take care of me.

BMC should really address the dealer issue. There are too many bad ones out there.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Duck
Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



(Message edited by duck on April 13, 2009)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Swordsman
Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That definitely sounds like a bad TPS adjustment. I accidentally did the exact same thing to mine once. Wouldn't idle below 2k rpms. Went back and redid it, and problem was fixed.

~SM
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Pkforbes87
Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When it's warm and wants to idle at 2k, try engaging the clutch in gear just enough to drag the RPMs down a little. If it will then stay at the normal 1050 rpm, then it sounds like intake gaskets to me.

Symptoms may be different on an XB, but my X1 has developed intake leaks twice - and both times it started hanging at 2k once warmed up.
« Previous Next »

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Bold text Italics Underline Create a hyperlink Insert a clipart image

Username: Posting Information:
This is a private posting area. Only registered users and custodians may post messages here.
Password:
Options: Post as "Anonymous" (Valid reason required. Abusers will be exposed. If unsure, ask.)
Enable HTML code in message
Automatically activate URLs in message
Action:

Topics | Last Day | Tree View | Search | User List | Help/Instructions | Rules | Program Credits Administration