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Dooley
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My oil filter vibrated loose on a ride, while commuting home from work. I noticed oil on my right boot, looked down and saw a huge mess, pulled over on the freeway and got it towed home. I don't usually do a detailed inspection before riding to work, I save that for the weekend rides, but the oil filter will be one of the things that get checked more frequently.
I decided to throw a hose clamp on to stop it from spining off, if vibrated loose in the future, but I found this in my garage, its a union clamp for pvc pipe, I just removed the rubber slip joint and used the stainless steel clamps and sheet metal.






The clamp can be found at various hardware stores, Home depot, lowes

Whats your oil filter safety device?
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Miko_k
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 01:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My safety device is a strong hand and a nice NAPA gold filter, with a decent rubber seal that does not disintegrate ; ) Yours case is the first I ever heard of. Now it makes me want to check it, but I already know that it's tight.
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Dennista15
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 06:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have heard of this happening before. I just keep an eye on it. Some oil filter come ready for safety wiring, or you could put one clamp on and safety wire to that.

Here is some info on safety wiring:http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/158 664/435346.html
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Pashlipops
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is it a genuine Buell filter?

Some aftermarket filters have a metric thread rather than imperial...
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Sam_07
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WOT!
Buell filter + hand tight
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Marko138
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm convinced this bike will shake absolutely anything loose that is not loc-tighted or wired down.
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Saratoga
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Lube the gasket so you can get it off the next time you change it and crank that joker down tight! I've never had problems with oil filters vibrating loose on any vehicle in the past.
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Aldaytona
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Me neither, and I can't think of anything off hand that shakes/vibrates worse than a pre 04 Sporty at +75 on a long road trip and I've made lost of those and to quote Lance Armstrong "boy, does my butt hurt".
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have never had the filter come off, but I have touched it with my fingers and had it rotate. I'm assuming it wasn't put on tightly enough. It certainly can vibrate loose in that case.
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Randomchaos
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Use da good ol' pimp hand and tighten that bitch up! Ive never had one loosen up on me. Always put a little oil around the seal and hand tighten it down til it wont turn anymore : )

Is that clamp you put on the filter attached to anything on the bike? I cant see how it would help by just slapping it on the oil filter.
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Boltrider
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think the service manual says to turn it down till the seal makes contact, then give it another half turn. I just use both hands and tighten the crap out of it.

When it comes time to take the old one off, I sometimes have to use a big pair of channel locks.
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Randomchaos
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Heh, I've had to hammer a screwdriver through an oil filter once to get enough leverage to take it off : )
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Figitt
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oil filters are very well known to fall off various machines. Most every racing sanction makes you safety the filter on. K/N even sells a filter with a safety drilled nut on the end.

Ive worked on Hogs for 20+ years now, and seen several (more than 5) come off.
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Hr_puffinstuff
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

make sure the the rubber gasket (from the previous oil filter) is not stuck to the block, before installing the new filter.
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Dooley
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is that clamp you put on the filter attached to anything on the bike? I cant see how it would help by just slapping it on the oil filter.
The clamp is placed on there so that if it were to start to twist off it will stop by hitting the front oil line fitting, and also makes it easyer to notice the filter out of place by a glance.
The filter that came loose was a Buell filter and I always crank the heck out of them when installing, I usually have to use a pipe wrench or a screwdriver to get it off.
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Al_lighton
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's a good idea to do this. I use this clamp:
http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-prodshow/6183.html

The end of the T-bolt touching the engine keeps it from being able to loosen.


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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just checked... It's tight!

I usually put marks on the engine case and filter with a marker. Easy to check visually if it's starting to turn. I usually check it again right before the next oil change.
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Eicas
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Are you sure it was tight to begin with.

I have never had a properly tightened oil filter come loose on me, but know of car filters coming loose when they were not installed correctly.

Usually the problem is getting an old oil filter to brake loose!
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Oneeightsix
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

On my race bike I put a hose clamp around the filter and drill a small hole in the front exhaust bracket Then you can just run safety wire to hold it tight.
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Werewulf
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i thought only tubers vibrated loose..
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"make sure the the rubber gasket (from the previous oil filter) is not stuck to the block, before installing the new filter."

VERY true.

I don't see it being so much of an issue on these bikes with everything out in the open, but I've made the mistake on a car of installing a new filter on top of the old filter's gasket. As soon as you start the engine, oil pressure blows both gaskets out of the way and makes a big mess.

As for the X1 filter, I just eat a big bowl of wheaties then go put it on hand tight.
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Typeone
Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i started using a regular hose clamp after it was required for a track day. kept using it from that point forward, just in case.

i dont know the size i used but its very well hidden slid all the way to the top of the filter.
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Swordsman
Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Heh, I've had to hammer a screwdriver through an oil filter once to get enough leverage to take it off"

I've twisted the entire end out of a filter the exact same way. Screwdriver started tearing through the metal, all the way around. That's tight.

~SM
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