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Metalstorm
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It it makes you happy, it can't be that bad.

Let's see... stop smoking, go on a diet = misery.
Eat, drink & smoke = happiness.

I think I'd stick with eating, drinking & smoking.

I actually stopped smoking almost two weeks ago (to afford Buell payments) and I highly reccomend that YOU DON"T QUIT! It sucks, trust me.
I did it cause it was buy cigs or buy Buell. One or the other and the Buell is worth more to me than a 19 year cig habit.
If you can have it all then I say take it all and enjoy!
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The low carb thing actually works Brian. I've seen it many times. Haven't tried it myself, but my GF lost 25 lbs before she met me and she just started it again after a holiday hiatus. AFAIC though, Do what makes you happy : ).
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yeah the low carb thing works like a charm as long as you never go back to normal eating life.

trust me I am the king of all diets. the only one that ever worked and stayed was....imagine this eat sensabile and excersise. works slower but works....

course if I was to lose weight than the ladys wouldn't love me as much....you know that whole daddy complex and everything
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, the eat sensible and sweat thing worked for me... 30lbs in about 8 months (not a lot of work : )) and I've only gained about 5lbs back.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with you Bubba.I quit smoking a year and 4 months ago.I was 160lbs.soaking wet now.....208LBS.I think the Atkins diet is a joke.You never really learn to eat right doing it and your are cutting things out of your diet that the body requires.To me the wrong to lose weight.Kinda like smoking you have to do it the hard way and just quit.Or if you want to lose weight you need to exercise and eat right.I was a 3 pack a day smoker and quit smoking after being bedside while my brother pasted of the very thing I don't want to take me.
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Nevco1
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dr. Flash Gordon's current column in MCN is the first of a two part article on weight loss. Is an interesting read.

Bottom line is regardless of diet, the key is a negative calorie balance. Translation: you consume less calories per day than you burn up.

Can't wait to see what further logic he has to apply next month.
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Cj_xb
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bubba, low carb may work but since the ladies think your just fine the way you are, don't mess with it !!!

CJ : )
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

aahhh baby....I knew that comment would bring my favorite redneck lover out of the would work!!!!

they must love my roundness since I have zero personality.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

FYI,
Jerseyguy Steve contacted me prior to posting this thread and was given the wholehearted go ahead to open a give and take discussion on his intake design as long as he was not intending to sell anything. That is what this forum is all about.

I'd be appreciative if those of you who received the Spam from Mr. James would please forward a copy to me. It is easy enough to block access to the entire site. If he is indeed sending out spam to badwebbers, that option will most likely be enacted on his behalf. If there is anything I hate, it is spam.
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

good work blake

Interestingly enuff tho I wasn't fortunate enuff to be on his email list...he must not fancy me anymore.
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Jerseyguy
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bubba - Go see Mr. Taylor he signed for the package at 10:02 this morning. You gotta love UPS tracking.
Steve
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Whodom
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll vouch for low carb "diets" too. I did "Sugarbusters" a few years back, and while I'm not religious about it, I have basically stuck with the plan. I read their book and the science behind what they claim made sense to me. I cut out sugar in soft drinks, coffee, and iced tea, I eat whole wheat bread rather than white whenever possible, eat a sweet potato instead of regular potato, brown rice vs. white rice, etc. I don't feel like I'm on a diet any more; I just stay away from the high carb stuff. I watch fats too, but I saw more benefit from cutting "simple" carbs and I had better luck changing to it and sticking with it than anything else I'd tried. It also has other health benefits besides weight loss.
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the stack in my grubby paws...looks great and hopefully I will get it tested on monday
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Interestingly enuff tho I wasn't fortunate enuff to be on his email list...he must not fancy me anymore
I guess we're in the same boat.
At least our boat ain't sinking...
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Daves
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well now that this thread has turned to the diet thread. All I can say is I've lost 9 lbs now doing the Atkins thing.
Not hard for me at all because I love meat,cheese,eggs and all the other stuff you can eat. Put me on a salad diet and I'd last about 2 days.
9 lbs in about 3 weeks and I couldn't stick to it very well while I was in Florida, I had a John Force burger at the Race Rock with the Florida Buell riders,Ribs one night and pizza two nights in a row.
I still lost 3 lbs due to the "wonderfull" food they always try to serve at the convention centers. Does ANYONE actually eat egg plant and shit like that?
I have about 10lbs to go now and feel great.
Just got back form lunch, reheated london broil steak and a couple deviled eggs. Beats a grapefruit all day long!

Ride to the edge!
9lbs lighter!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hate you I hate you .....
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Daves
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)




Ride to the edge!
I just gained an extra HP!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My ex-wife has lost 50lbs over the last 6 months on Atkins. In her words she has gotten so used to the regime she doesn't even think about it.

And Dave I could make you an eggplant parmessian that you would swear was veal : D
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does any know what ketoacidosis is????

Does anyone know what Coronary Artery Disease is???
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

dont know anything about that, but DAVES XB HAS BRASS JETS. now that is way cool.
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Whodom
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Does anyone know what Coronary Artery Disease is???"

Can you say "3X CABG, May 2001"?

Cardio nutritionists currently stress reduction of simple carbohydrates as well as watching your fats. High carbs cause high triglicerides which cause arterial inflammation which is looking more and more like the root cause of coronary artery disease.

(DAMN! Are we off-topic, or what?)

I have not tried Atkins, but evidence so far is that it doesn't raise cholesterol levels, so idea that it is bad for your heart is not (yet) supported.
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I personally would not start on the diet if you have a family history of heart attack or high cholesterol...I believe in the old fashion way eating with portion control and exercise that is the best guaranty...people are always looking for the quickest way and when they finish this fad diet they regain the weight back and some more...
It took me 12 months to lose 65 lbs once but I maintained it for 5 years. Once you stop exercising you gain it back .
Weight watchers has a great program but the downfall is the cost...but it is motivating.

Believe me I know about CABX3..I take care of these patients on a daily basis. Our hospital does open heart on a daily basis...people sometimes as young as 30 years old...bad lifestyle, bad genes and bad habits. Once you see what these people go through on a daily basis believe me you want to quit smoking,start exercising and eat better.
Portion control and exercise is the key.
Atkin is dead and the diet is just a fad in my opinion...I have seen people in the hospital for being on it, some bodies can't take the stress the diet puts you through.
Now I am really off of the subject
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Nevco1
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

NN...You may be off topic, but you are very informative. Thanks for the "educated" input.
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Naughty
I pratice all that you say and I am still fat.....

Portion control- yes , most times large
smoking- yes, most days alot
excersizing- yes , but I guess rolling out of the bed is as strenuous as need be


I am just kidding I probably should get healthy but then I'd probably get hit by a truck...oh wait that already happened. hhmmm I guess my odds are better now.
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

www.atkinsdietalert.org
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Whodom
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Naughty, I had 3X CABG in May 2001 at the age of 45. Family history (mom), only slightly overweight, decent cholestrol numbers. Scared the absolute crap out of me. I got over surgery, went to rehab classes. Started eating right, now excercise 5 days/week. I read LOTS about what to do to avoid a repeat and follow what makes sense.

Like I said, I don't do Atkins, and I understand what you're saying, but all the evidence I've seen supports their claims that the Atkins diet does not raise serum cholestrol levels nor screw up the ratios. They supposedly came out with some new recommendations recently that revised their previous advice about fat intake. What I liked about Sugarbusters was that they emphasized cutting simple carbs (sugar, white bread, white rice, potatoes, etc.), but also said watch your fats. Everything they said was consistent with what I learned in cardiac rehab classes and nutritionist said it was basically a good eating plan.

Bubba, if you have family history of heart problems, don't wait for it to clobber you before you do something.

The best thing that came out of it all for me was it finally occurred to me I better get off my ass and get a motorcycle (something I had wanted since the age of 13) because none of us knows how long we are gonna be here. I only wish I hadn't waited ~33 years to do it.
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whodom you better look at the site I just posted earlier under the updated reports
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Typical high-protein diets are extremely high in dietary cholesterol and saturated fat. The effect of such diets on serum cholesterol concentrations is a matter of ongoing research. However, 714 percent of registrants reported high serum cholesterol concentrations. Other biochemical measures of heart disease risk may be affected. In a small study, individuals following high-protein diets against medical advice showed increases in fibrinogen, lipoprotein (a), and C-reactive protein, and demonstrable progression of coronary artery disease, suggesting that high-protein diets may precipitate progression of CAD through increases in lipid deposition and inflammatory and coagulation pathways. 24 Such diets pose additional cardiovascular risks, including increased risk for cardiovascular events immediately following a meal. Evidence indicates that meals high in saturated fat impair arterial compliance, increasing the risk of cardiovascular events in the postprandial period. A recent study showed that the consumption of a high-fat meal (a ham and cheese sandwich, whole milk, and ice cream) reduced systemic arterial compliance by 25 percent at three hours and 27 percent at six hours. 25
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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"A recent study showed that the consumption of a high-fat meal (a ham and cheese sandwich, whole milk, and ice cream) reduced systemic arterial compliance by 25 percent at three hours and 27 percent at six hours."}

Well you should label this a high fat, high carbohydrate meal, which is a no no for weight loss and heart health. Recent studies of the Atkins Diet refute all that you said.

Let me guess, you are an RD??

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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Atkin is dead and the diet is just a fad in my opinion...I have seen people in the hospital for being on it, some bodies can't take the stress the diet puts you through.
Now I am really off of the subject"

Atkins died of a fall at age 75. His "fad diet" is now about 80 yrs old, having predated his popularizing the diet.

Recent Harvard studies refute what you say. Your ignorance is showing.

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