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Daves
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

While I was in orlando, Eric, one of my best techs got tired of dicking around with trying to make the FI work with the built motor/Power commander. I just got back from the shop and my XB now has a jetski downdraft 46mm carb on it!
I should have numbers in a day or two.
Handmade velocity stack,S/E ign module,primer setup to get it started.
This should get me to the "magic" 100hp at the ground!
I can't wait!
System will be available soon!

Ride to the edge!
I now have a carb!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

oh yeah. thats the coolest idea yet. carburetion
simple is always better. please tell me about the fuel pressure regulator. i love brass.
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

electrons are for makin sparks..... brass is for metering fuel. simple rules for simple minds.
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Prof_stack
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Carbs might have more versatility, but no way I'd chuck the FI on my XB. Quick to warm up, good mileage, cleaner exhaust emissions. Carbs can by finnicky (although apparently your FI was likewise...)

Daves, have a blast on your new baby!
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Daves
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The FI on a stock, or close to stock works fine.
With my motor it didn't!

Ride to the edge!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dave I just came across these guys and wonder if perchance you talked to them about their FI system?
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/index.htm
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Bads1
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Daves Where did the stack come from????Inquiring minds want to know.Well spill it buddy.
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Daves
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Eric made my stack for me.

Ride to the edge!
Dave
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Opto
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank goodness someone got the guts to try it - I know a few of us have dreamed about it - the DDFI on the XB's is a stubborn cantankerous pos. It enables the motor to run, but not to be tuned. Good on ya Dave.
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Gonen60
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

pictures please
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Bads1
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Erik???Sounds cool Dave not saying I would do this to mine but I have a friend that sells Jetski stuff by the tons on the internet.So if its carbs that anyone needs I can probably get them.
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DAVES; is it a mikuni? pressure regulator? details please.
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

a carburetor would certainly remove my biggest dilemma, that is how to reset my TPS. wouldnt need one of those now would we? oh yeah, i want my brass upgrade.
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Brucelee
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh yeah, i hear ferrari is going back to carbs for their F1 cars.

Jeez, give me a break will you???????????

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M1combat
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

LOL, that's a bit different Blackbelt...

The EFI on a Ferrari F1 car is more than likely just a tad more user friendly.
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Bud
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 03:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A trick injection ( like hestec ) is a hard thing if you have to give it a base line and way more expensive than a carb. setup

Gr,b

Ps. Dave you still use the stock inj. Pomp ( with or with-out regulator )

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Shazam
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 05:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

fantastic!

post some pics hippie!
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No stock fuel pump, the carb has it's own.
I'll work on pictures(ok I'll get Craig on it).

I did not want to give up the FI but we tried everything except the actual race bike setup and couldn't make it run at all RPMs correctly. They tell me it's the closed loop, open loop deal that is the problem.
Like I stated above, when I just had the 1050 kit without cams it worked fine with the race ECM and a DFO box.
When we went futher with the bigger valves,cams,Force pipe set up we just couldn't get the PC tuned right, we tried to go back to the DFO box and still had tuning problems.
We have not tested this set up yet so I don't know, maybe it won't work either. We will all know by middle of next week I hope.

Ride to the edge!
Sometimes you have to take a step back to go faster!
Dave
Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center)
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, PS
It was Eric, not Erik that made my velocity stack.

Dave
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99buellx1
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have pictures, but I have to get to work to post them. (they're on my work computer)




Craig
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99buellx1
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok,

carb1

carb2

carb3

carb4


Craig
Buell Cycle Center
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Spiderman
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

THAT IS TOO COOL!!!
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

dang I am sportin wood thinkin of where this can go if it works
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

oh yeah....

looky looky where the Iowa farm mafia is taking us......see wintertime can be good for something. glad you guys are frozen in
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Bud
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

aaahooogaaaa,


very nice indeed


did you toss the oem pomp,
or just disconect it

g,b
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bud they are running it according to an earleir post. The carb as a built in regulator.

Turbo?; )
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S1eric
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Way to go Dave ! That F.I. is the only reason I stayed away from the X.B. line. Not that I don`t
like F.I. I refuse to be at the mercy of H.D. for simple adjustments (tps). What A marketing scam!

Can`t wait to here more.

S1 Eric
97S1
98S1W
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Bads1
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks sweet Dave.Is the air box lid going to be able to clear the stack or are ya gonna have to cut hole???
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Fullpower
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

damn that is fine. what kind of carb is that? is that a pressure regulator on the side? how easy is it to jet? is it a CV type?any reason not to use a weber? thanks for the information... and "way to go" i love brass jets.
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Shazam
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dave,
what are you using for ignition?
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Johnnyprocket
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just curious, about PC maps and all. Didn't you guys used to sell the Teclusion box and wasn't that supossed to more adjustable especially for highly modified XB motors? How do you compare the two. Oh, yeah, sweet work with the carbs!!!!!
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 02:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I love the pushrod tube setup you have. Those sportster components?
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Opto
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 06:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Absolutely fascinating, thanks for the pics Craig.
I really, really, really hope it works well...if my eyes don't deceive me I think I see 2 cables hanging off that carby to adjust the hi and lo speed jets.
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Bykergeek
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No pushrods on the front cylinder?

Looks Good!

edited by bykergeek on February 01, 2004
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99buellx1
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No pushrods on the front cylinder?

It's gonna run so hard on the rear that we won't even need the front! lol


Craig
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Boulderbiker
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its called "Blast envy"
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