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Dynarider
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 05:14 pm: | 
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No way in hell would I put retreads on my bike. I dont use em for my car or truck & certainly dont trust them enough to have my life riding on them.
Besides that, the colored tires just look gay. |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 05:19 pm: |
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I thought they looked pretty sharp on Bud's bike. Then again, that is a photo and real life is a whole different matter.
Oh well, don't sweat it. Koz has a set of Orange one's he is putting on this spring. Knowing him he will put them through the acid test. Just hope he doesn't spend much time riding down around Walker's Point. LMAO |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 05:25 pm: |
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About 80% of the quad axle dump trucks have retreads on them and those tires see some real heat when carrying 80 ton of gravel around.And aircraft have used them for years.I'm not really to concerned about them being retreads.I'm more interested in the performance of the tires.As far as colors I don't really know kind of got mixed feelings on the look,not quite sold on that. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 05:30 pm: |
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About 99% of the road gaters you find strewn about various freeways across the country are retreads, sometimes the whole carcass unpeels. Those are from actual highway use, and many of the dead-treads have lots of legal depth still showing on them. When the peeloffs start to diminish I'll start to trust re-tread technology again.
Dump trucks are short haul, aircraft and short run, OTR trucks are longhaul and are the true test of recap viability.
YMMV  or not |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 12:12 am: |
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Not all of us in the aviation industry have such a high regard for recaps. Airlines use them because of the cost.Retreads can mean the difference between solvency and chapter 11. Don't forget, like a 16 wheeler most airline-type aircraft have multiple wheels per axle (bogies) and one tire failure usually won't cause total loss of control and/or braking performance. They also have many more plies and a much stronger carcass, not to mention anti-skid generators on each axle. True, acceleration from zero to 100+ knots on landing is a stress factor, but not the same type as a tight cornering maneuver on a bike at 100+ MPH. I for one will not use retreads on aircraft. I certainly wouldn't ride with them on a motorcycle no matter what line of bulls**t the manufacturer is handing out. Just my opinion. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:29 am: |
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Do you really understand the process of tire manufacturing and the current standards for "retread" manufacturing? I am not talking about what is acceptable fro the 70's but current manufacturing process? As to the "tire Gators" of course 90% of the gators you see are retreads since about 95% of the tires on longhaul trucks are retreads. Not the 80% quoted earlier. It is very cost prohibitive to put brand new tires on the longhaul trailers. Cost wise retreads are used, when it comes to the cab, drivers will spend the extra to get the roadhazard warrenty that comes with refitting a cab. What you may not realise is that 90% of the tire gators you see are caused by the driver not setting the pressure for the weight they are carrying. Most often the tires are over inflated. The extra pressure with the built up heat of the longhaul and the weights they carry massively overheat the tires. As you yourself say, comparing truck tires to motorcycle tires is apples and oranges. I only pointed out that the manufacturing process is the same. The compounds and tread design is of course appropriate for the type of tire in the discussion, therefore motorcycle compunds and designs are used for the motorcycle tires just like aircraft compounds are used for aircraft tires. An aircraft compound woudl be too hard for a motorcycle of course since it is designed to flashpoint to 190F+ in seconds. However the manufacture "process" can be utilized for both since that is pretty much standard industrywide. A belt layer is formed and then the tread layer is bonded to it. Since current retreads are stipped down to the belt layer and a fresh tread layer is bonded to it...the only difference is in the fact the belts themselves are used. Would I buy the set in black yes I would. Why haven't I? Becasue I picked up two full sets of Diablo Corsa for $200...
sorry first comment was rather snide and unproductive
edited by wyckedflesh on January 27, 2004 |
Mikej
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 08:23 am: |
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"Because I picked up two full sets of Diablo Corsa for $200... "
And that's what it often really comes down to. Even if they are okay, their price will keep me buying new.
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Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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Looks like we were all unproductive compared to you. |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 02:23 pm: |
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Dear Fashion Police:
I have a black motorcycle and was wondering what color tires are in this year? I was planning in riding through both green rolling meadows as well as the gray urbanscape. I would really like to make a statement, yet not clash with the environment.
Please help, the indecision is just devastating.
Oh God, I hope it stops snowing soon. Down three weeks with the flu and now the snow...Arrrgh!!!
PS: Somebody had better find the humor in this! |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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Clash! go for Bright Pink! It worked for Miami Vice  |
Mikej
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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(Wrong pic, sorry, back to the artworks.)
edited by mikej on January 27, 2004 |
Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 02:39 pm: |
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Bill go with the purple.I think it would be you man.Black/purple.Kinda like the Bat BUELL look.But don't ask me to be Robin.I know my bike is red and yellow sorta speak but I'm not I repeat NOT going to complete the ensemble and put green tires on.Ask someone else on the board. |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 02:48 pm: |
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Purple...Bright Pink...Oh my, more decisions.
Do they come in Knobbies so I can ride them in the slush and snow?
Please do help. This winter wonderland is causing a major brain fart and I need to get back to reality before the Boss gets home. LOL |
Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 02:57 pm: |
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They have a special compound designed just for riding a top of trains. |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:00 pm: |
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Hey, that's slick. I live on the wrong side of the tracks and have always been looking for a way out. Send me the website! |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:03 pm: |
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Don't forget the special compound for riding down Palm Trees... |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:09 pm: |
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Thanks Wycked...Now you made me homesick for So Cal. Was just a whine before. Now I am really upset. Fifth winter here and I am going nuts.
I gotta get out of this place...If it's the last thing I ever do... |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:10 pm: |
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Its alright Nev I want to go back to Hawaii so bad I can taste the Poi... |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:21 pm: |
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Forgot we had this conversation once before. Oh well, Hawaii does sound better. The currents are warmer this time of year, eh?
Some day I will get the chance to try Poi. After seeing all the weird facial expressions and hearing the funny stories from the returning vacationers, anything that tastes that bad to a Wisconsinite must be good. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:22 pm: |
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Think happy thoughts....
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Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:23 pm: |
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Mike...You are an Angel. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:24 pm: |
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Nev just remember Poi MUST be eaten with fingers, not spoons. Believe me the flavor is totally different between the two methods. |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 03:45 pm: |
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Finger Food is no problem. Viking heritage, you know. Eat with full fist and face when starving or celebrating after a battle. LOL
Actually, the German side taught me how to behave at the table. I just have a hard time not grabbing the wenches. Bwahahaha! |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 05:03 pm: |
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nevco orange is the new purple. very in this year. be sure your boots match. |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 05:48 pm: |
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Orange, eh? Hmmm...That might work out well for St Patrick's Day also. Let's see, Orange 'n Green...Is that the same side or opposing teams in Belfast?
Looks like I'll be doin' the Krylon thing to get the Alpinstars orange. Let's see, do you figure they will blister or peel first.
Hmmm...Might even borrow one of those OD Green KLR 650's for St Patties Day. No sense in rattin' out a perfectly good X1, eh? |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 11:51 pm: |
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Wyked,
With all due respect, yes,I understand the tire manufacturing and retreading processes, just had recurrent training last spring courtesy of Goodyear's aircraft tire division. That said, I still maintain my position. Riding on two tires with a contact patch of less than two square inches each makes me think lots of things...like how difficult it must be to ride when you're dead. You are certainly entitled to your opinion tho.... |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 01:43 am: |
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heh...and mine came from the course Goodyear provided me for training in automotive retreading so I could accurately sell their product.
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Nevco1
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 10:32 am: |
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Oh well, at least you guys agree on Goodyear. Anybody got a Firestone Retread equipped Ford Explorer??? LMAO |
Captainkirk
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 12:27 am: |
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No, those guys are all dead, too...
LMAO! |
Xb9er
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 11:31 am: |
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Note: You might want to do a "Save Target As" for this link, and read the PDF offline, particularly if you have a slow connection.
Check out this tire test:
NESBA.com MCN Tire Guide
Tomahawk "remoulds" did not fare too well in the tests.
As I read the test results again, I noticed that though you can specify what carcass Tomahawk uses for a set of tires, the profile (and tread) is their own design.
In my opinion you can't just go messing with something like that. A motorcycle tire is designed to work as a single unit, isn't it? Belts, rubber, tread pattern for a particular tire are built to work together. It seems to me that if you put flat profile rubber on a carcass that originally had a more triangular shape, the stresses on the carcass would be different and unpredictable. I'm not claiming to be a tire expert.
Mike.
edited by xb9er on January 30, 2004 |
Bads1
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 05:51 pm: |
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I thought about it I'll stick to black but I wouldn't mind the tire companys offering white raised lettered tires like you see in World SuperBike. |
