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Dgrobels
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a 2006 xb12scg and would like to have both lights on all the time, is this hard and will it cause any problems if so I dont wanna do it....thanks! I would also like to get some brighter lights what do you all suggest, I like the blue looking lights but dont knwo what they are but they sure are bright and I like the look
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You can do it in a few minutes. Take off your flyscreen, you will see a white 4 pin connector right above the headlights by the crossbrace. The 4 pins (off the top of my head) are Orange, Yellow, White, Black.
Orange is Low beam, Yellow is Parking light, White is high beam, Black is ground.

Either pop the pins out of the socket and put the parking light wire to go to the low beam, or cut and splice wires. The Parking light is on the Accessory fuse.
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Ochoa0042
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

simple solution

keep the bright switch on!!! duh!!!
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Dogdaze
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 with Froggy poppin' the pins.

Things to consider:

1) Some folks have success just toggling their light switch halfway between high and low (reports of early demise of switch however)

2) Buell in the knows(?) have dissuaded us from this mod for possibility of overheating and failing headlight housing

3) With two headlights, you'll look more like a cager at a distance(than a motorcycle up close)

4) HID lights will give you a lot more light output with the stock setup

5) Running both lights on, with a headlight modulator, really gets the attention of the cagers (and should decrease heat output a wee bit)

6) Would probably kill an HID setup if you were to also add a headlight modulator.

All that said, I usually ride during the day so I did Froggy's pin mod and added the modulator just to be obnoxious!

http://www.headlightmodulator.com/
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Speedkills
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 04:05 pm:

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Looking for a way to have both headlights on instead one of only one on for LOW and the other for HI??
Tired of being told you have a light out??

This mod will have one light on for LOW, and BOTH lights on when running HI-BEAM.
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HEADLIGHT MOD

TIME TO COMPLETE: 15 minutes

COST: $0.00

STEP 1. Remove your windshield from the headlight bucket of the bike.



STEP 2. Find the socket for the headlight harness. Its white and has 4 wires in it:
black, yellow, white, orange.



STEP 3. Unplug the socket. (you will be working on the male end of the socket)


STEP 4. On the back side of the socket (the end with the wires running into it) there is a clip on the plug itself

that holds the wires in.

Unclasp it from one side and fold it open.



The black is a ground, the yellow is low beam, white is high beam, and orange is for the running light.

You are going to switch the yellow with the orange wires in the harness.

***If the colors are different on your harness swap the two that are not white or black***

STEP 5. To do this use a small pointed object (I used a very very small nail)



5a. Stick it in the male end forcing the wire out.
You may have to tug on the wire some wile pushing to get them out.



5b. It was a little difficult to get them out but not impossible to do so.
See plug detail below.



5c. You may have to remove more than just the orange and yellow wires in order to have room to move the wires

depending on your harness.



STEP 6. Replace the wires into the plug, swapping the position of the yellow and orange wires.
The new order should be:
black, orange, white, yellow.

Plug the harness back together.



STEP 7. Test the lights.

When you are on LOW BEAM you should have only one light on as usual.



On HIGH BEAM both lights should be illuminated.



Skifastbadly
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 09:01 pm:

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Hey SpeedKills

Thanks for the info. As you know there are several other places on BadWeb that describe the same procedure...BUT yours is the only one that points out that important step of folding back the clip. After being flummoxed on several occasions at attempting this mod, your extra step gave me the info that I needed and my Uly is now sporting two eyes.


Varhammer
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:48 am:

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Speedkills..

Once you do this modification will you still be able to use the flash to pass feature?


Speedkills
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 01:33 am:

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If you are running with low beams on and you hit the flash to pass trigger both lights will come on.

So yes.

Cheers.


Varhammer
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:19 am:

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OUTSTANDING!!!!!
I will be doing this mod this morning..
Thanks a bunch.


Spops
Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 08:50 am:

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BRILLIANT! Many thanks!


Buellbill
Posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 - 08:47 pm:

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Thanks again for the detailed instructions. One question though? Can the electrical/charging system handle having both lights on for an extended period, not just high beam flash to pass?
Regards Bill


Greenman44
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 01:29 pm:

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Bill I think that it will with no problem run both headlights. There are ulysses riders that I have read about that run dual HID headlights, plus external lights, hand warmers, and a GPS unit and don't have problems. Its is a great mod, Im glad I did mine about 5 months ago, and have had no problemo-s.

Shawn


Lovedabueller
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 02:03 pm:

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this also works with tubers. you can make both elements light at once. . just thought id pass that also.


Troyyz
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 05:53 pm:

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one note of interest... in photo/step 5A be certain NOT to insert sharp pointed item (nail) into the actual terminal. There is a slot immediately above it to place the nail. This will "unhook" the terminal from the plastic plug. Otherwise you may inadvertently cause unrecoverable damage to the terminal. Mine ended up take about the advertised 15 minutes. Thanks again for this posting!!


Oldironsides
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 07:06 pm:

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Lovedabueller, where might I find the mod for the tubers. Specifically 01 X1. Thanks.


Bossies1
Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 09:33 pm:

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Thanks Speedkills! This is the way it should come from the factory. I had tried the middle position of the switch to turn on both bulbs, but found it very annoying. Your write-up saved the day! I used a small eyeglasses type screwdriver to release the little catch. This worked a little easier for me than the nail method .

Dave


Dgbuell
Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 09:34 pm:

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Easiest thing I've ever done to my bike, thanks for the great details

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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A link to that thread would of sufficed, especially if it has pics ; )
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dogdazes statement re: overheating.

Not to challenge Dog, he said he was quoting, but Canada and Europe run their lights on all the time without a problem. That's why that plug is there.
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Bo_sox
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 12:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've run my switch in the middle since day one, based on the advice of the Buell salesman. 3 years later and over 7K miles and not a single problem with wiring or switch. Easy to do and doesn't cost a thing. Plus I can always switch it to a single light when letting the bike warm up and then switch both lights on out on the road.
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Tonskey
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think this is what you are looking for check it
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/377314.html?1232150797
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Slamber777
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

l've done the "Both headlites on with highbeam" mod like in Tonskey's link. MUCH better than the stock one-off/one-on set up.
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Corider
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would think the electrical system would be fine, considering the R models come wired from the factory for both lights to come on, on high. What I want is both lights on for low or high beam.
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Petebueller
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Corider
A friend has developed a twinlight system that he is getting ready for XBs. They are an adaptation of one that he has been selling for Triumphs for years. He is having some success canvasing for them to be legal here.
The device works as both a modulator, and as a driver that runs the high beam at a lower voltage so it is dimmer.
Once I get one on my bike I will be looking for a high beam bulb that has the same or similar colour to a chosen low beam bulb while running at a lower voltage.
When I first got my bike my wife used to annoy the hell out of me by telling me that one of my headlights has blown. She did that often.
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Xbjelly9s
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 03:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have run my switch in the middle for over 25k and not been on fire yet. That option is up to the owner.
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Spacecapsule1
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

how the heck do you get those pins out? I'm trying to right now with no luck. I'm afraid I'm going to break something.

I unlatched the clip and i'm trying to push the pins out but they won't budge......
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Andymnelson
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"runs the high beam at a lower voltage so it is dimmer."

That's odd. They are the same bulb. The issue isn't the brightness, it's the aiming of the bulb.
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes they are both the same bulb, same wattage, same color. Difference is the reflector behind it aims the bulbs.
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Spacecapsule1
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

froggy......... or anyone.........

see my above question. i require assistance.
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can't help you, I ended up doing the wire snip for the same reason. Somehow others have done it by pins!
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Bossies1
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Space,
I used a jeweler/eyeglass screwdriver to release the holding clip for the individual plugs. Just slide it up in the open area next to the metal plug, catch+push the little plastic release and tug on the wire. It should come out easily. Start with an end wire so that you can get to the middle 2. Don't try pushing on the plug itself, as you will damage it.
Dave
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Spacecapsule1
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks dave. i'll have to go buy a set of those screwdrivers first.........
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Bossies1
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A tiny nail, heavy needle or even a toothpick might work...The mod works great BTW
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Petebueller
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's odd. They are the same bulb. The issue isn't the brightness, it's the aiming of the bulb.

Yes they are both the same bulb, same wattage, same color. Difference is the reflector behind it aims the bulbs.


If you want to have both bulbs on low, you can run the high beam bulb with reduced light output when on low beam by dropping the wattage by dropping the voltage. The high beam bulb will be dimmer, carry less and will not bother oncoming traffic despite the reflector being aimed right at them. The high beam bulb is effectively converted to a running light on low beam.
On high beam the high beam bulb runs at full brightness.

This has lots of advantages. Including
1) redundancy - you end up with a second bulb that can function (sub-optimally) if the low beam bulb blows
2) You don't get the shift in light pattern switching between to high from low. At least on my Firebolt the low bulb stays on when on high.Friends find it an issue on bikes like the Lightnings and Ulys where vision is transferred completely from one pattern to another.
3) Having the high on and changing brightness when switching from high to low is less inclined to leave you feeling in the dark after the switch. I get that effect with the Firebolt now, particularly with the Hellas.
4) It stops my wife telling me that I have blown a bulb. It makes the lights look more balanced.
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Petebueller
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The context of my reply was that Corider asked about running both bulbs on low.
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Dogdaze
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Canada and Europe run their lights on all the time without a problem

Iamarch,
the overheating issue was posted by an "Anon" years ago when this mod first came up. I reckon they have to design the Buell to worst case scenarios (maybe a toasty summer day in Death Valley @ 134 deg F?)

Peteb,
that sounds like an ingenious product!
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Petebueller
Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 03:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

He's a smart guy Dogdaze
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